Ruling

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Bob, where is the reference?

Peace

I don't have my books, but FT violations are in 9.1

[deecee]

I think this is one thing I would like the FED to change. Like the crappy backcourt ruling this can go as well.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't have my books, but FT violations are in 9.1

I know where the violations are found, but where is the current interpretation that says that after a timeout the violation carries over?

I do not see any such reference at this point in the casebook. They talk about what is a violation, but there is nothing that I can find that suggests a violation simply carries over after a timeout.

And I understand that we try to use years old interpretations on this site, but I was told by someone that sat on the NF Committee, that when an interpretation is removed from the casebook, there is a reason. In other words, the interpretation has changed or it no longer applies to the current rules.

I am still looking, I just do not find such a reference.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I understand that we try to use years old interpretations on this site, but I was told by someone that sat on the NF Committee, that when an interpretation is removed from the casebook, there is a reason. In other words, the interpretation has changed or it no longer applies to the current rules.

Or they don't want the case book to come in volumes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Or they don't want the case book to come in volumes.

The basic implication I was given that the issue does not apply any longer or they decided the interpretation was inappropriate or inconsistent with other rules. It is great to know there is an interpretation from year's past, but something like this current situation should be in some book, somewhere if they want consistency. If I were to try to debate with someone, I would not be able to find the information to prove the point.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't have my books, but FT violations are in 9.1

Read them all and it's not addressed. I have the study software which may be outdated. Will check actual casebook at lunch hour.

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Read them all and it's not addressed. I have the study software which may be outdated. Will check actual casebook at lunch hour.

Pretty sure it's in the case book.

[Jurassic Referee]

Case book play 9.1.3SitC is the exact play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book play 9.1.3SitC is the exact play.

Thank you. But why would this be under "Faking?"

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Thank you. But why would this be under "Faking?"

Damned if I know.

Probably should have it's own section called "DELAYED DELAYED VIOLATION".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book play 9.1.3SitC is the exact play.

thank you. It's amazing what you can find when you rtfm. Heck, you might even find out that something else you knew for sure just isn't true.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book play 9.1.3SitC is the exact play.

Thanks JR........

[mbyron]

The ruling makes sense to me. The violation "counts" depending on whether the FT is made. If we have to wait till after a time-out to know that, so be it. Enforce the penalty if the player misses.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book play 9.1.3SitC is the exact play.

9.1.3 SITUATION C: A1 is preparing to attempt a free throw. Prior to A1’s
release of the ball, B1 fakes causing A2 to enter the lane prematurely. A1 then requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Upon resuming play, A1 is entitled to a free throw and the official shall use the proper signal indicating a violation by B1 prior to the granting of the time-out. If the free throw is successful, the violation is ignored, if unsuccessful a substitute throw is awarded. (9-1-3b)

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9.1.3 SITUATION C: A1 is preparing to attempt a free throw. Prior to A1’s
release of the ball, B1 fakes causing A2 to enter the lane prematurely. A1 then requests and is granted a time-out. RULING: Upon resuming play, A1 is entitled to a free throw and the official shall use the proper signal indicating a violation by B1 prior to the granting of the time-out. If the free throw is successful, the violation is ignored, if unsuccessful a substitute throw is awarded. (9-1-3b)

Well I've learned my something new for the day. Never would have thought that.