Running the endline after a made hoop

rbruno · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:02pm

Gentlemen:

This happened in a Christmas travel team tournament last week.
NHSF rules.
After a made hoop by Team B, player A-1 picks up the loose ball and steps out of bounds. He runs two steps or so behind the endline before passing to A-2 who has now stepped completely out of bounds next to him. A-2 drops the pass and then picks it up again and completes the throw in to A-3 inbounds.
Team B coach is calling for a violation saying that A-2 cannot drop and pick up the ball "like that". We play on and after the game I explain to him that A-2 has done nothing illegal and can do whatever behind the endline after a made hoop etc. as long as they (A-1, A-2) release the throw in within 5 seconds.
Can't find any precident in the rule/case book to back me up on this, but I'm sure I am correct..... am I??

Adam · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by rbruno

Can't find any precident in the rule/case book to back me up on this, but I'm sure I am correct..... am I??

The fact that you couldn't find anything to back you up isn't relevant. The fact is, you can't find anything in there to back the coach up. If it's not illegal, it's legal.

tjones1 · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The fact that you couldn't find anything to back you up isn't relevant. The fact is, you can't find anything in there to back the coach up. If it's not illegal, it's not legal.

What he said... well sort of...

If it's not illegal, then it's legal.

Adam · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1

What he said... well sort of...

If it's not illegal, then it's legal.

Oops. I fixed it.

refnrev · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 09:54pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1

What he said... well sort of...

If it's not illegal, then it's legal.

TJ are you becoming the new grammar guy? Before long you'll be using really really big words like mbyron!

mbyron · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 03, 2009, 09:28am

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Originally Posted by refnrev

TJ are you becoming the new grammar guy? Before long you'll be using really really big words like mbyron!

Please don't complain, or the mods will begin bowdlerizing my posts!

refnrev · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 03, 2009, 11:11am

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Originally Posted by mbyron

Please don't complain, or the mods will begin bowdlerizing my posts!

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you get kicked off the off the forum if your caught bowdlerizing! Isn't that a felony in most states?

mutantducky · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:16pm

If after a made basket a player picks up the ball, and is set to throw in but tosses the ball to the ref. Does the ref stop the count, throw the ball back? I saw that once and the coach wanted a violation but none was called and I didn't think any should have been.
A delay of game warning for a player that tosses to a ref and the ball bounces off so the player has to chase it. keep counting five seconds or pause? Or blow the whistle to stop the clock and no delay?

Nevadaref · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:21pm

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Originally Posted by mutantducky

If after a made basket a player picks up the ball, and is set to throw in but tosses the ball to the ref. Does the ref stop the count, throw the ball back? I saw that once and the coach wanted a violation but none was called and I didn't think any should have been.
A delay of game warning for a player that tosses to a ref and the ball bounces off so the player has to chase it. keep counting five seconds or pause? Or blow the whistle to stop the clock and no delay?

Don't take this thread in that direction. Go put your comment in this thread:

End of game sitch

Adam · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:31pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Don't take this thread in that direction. Go put your comment in this thread:

End of game sitch

Better yet, read the thread first. You'll find every possible answer there.

Nevadaref · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 02, 2009, 03:18pm

The play was perfectly legal. The coach was wrong. Big surprise.

A player may bounce the ball OOB prior to making the throw-in pass. What's the difference between purposely bouncing it and dropping it to the floor accidentally? In this case nothing.

9.2.2 SITUATION D: A1 dribbles the ball on floor on the out-of-bounds area before making a throw-in. RULING: Legal, a player may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throw-in.

icallfouls · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 03, 2009, 10:49am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The play was perfectly legal. The coach was wrong. Big surprise.

A player may bounce the ball OOB prior to making the throw-in pass. What's the difference between purposely bouncing it and dropping it to the floor accidentally? In this case nothing.

9.2.2 SITUATION D: A1 dribbles the ball on floor on the out-of-bounds area before making a throw-in. RULING: Legal, a player may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throw-in.

Extra bit of info.
Can a player bounce pass to another player OOB after a made basket?

This is one that we batted around here for a few days, the answer was surprizing.

NO. The pass must be a direct pass to the teammate also OOB, not a bounce pass. This is from the NFHS, and our State R.I.

However, a player dribbling OOB is not a violation.

In case you all wanted to know.

BillyMac · #13 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 03, 2009, 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls

Can a player bounce pass to another player OOB after a made basket? NO. The pass must be a direct pass to the teammate also OOB, not a bounce pass. This is from the NFHS.

I disagree, but I can't find a citation to support my interpretation. Can you please offer a citation to support your interpretation?

Adam · #14 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 03, 2009, 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls

Extra bit of info.
Can a player bounce pass to another player OOB after a made basket?

This is one that we batted around here for a few days, the answer was surprizing.

NO. The pass must be a direct pass to the teammate also OOB, not a bounce pass. This is from the NFHS, and our State R.I.

However, a player dribbling OOB is not a violation.

In case you all wanted to know.

Show me the NFHS interpretation, and the R.I. interp, if you could. This is legal as the rules are written.

dbking · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 03, 2009, 01:26pm

This is directly from the KSHSAA website.

SITUATION OF THE WEEK #1

Team A scores, B1 retrieves the ball and steps out of bounds. B2 steps out of bounds on the opposite side of the end line. B1 bounce passes the ball to B2. Is this legal?

RULING: NFHS Rule 7-5-7a – Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in or he/she may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate(s) outside the boundary. The rule does not specify the ball cannot be bounced to the other player. The ball could be passed via a chest pass, overhead pass, bounce pass or could be rolled to the other player (B2) but all this must take place within 5 seconds.

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