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Old Mon Dec 29, 2008, 07:49pm
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Gentlemen:

I have read a number of posts in this thread since my first post. Many of these posts quoted various NFHS Basketball Rules that could possibly be applied to this situation. BUT you do not want to go where many people want to go. DO NOT charge the HC with a TF!

Charging the HC with TF in this situation is a no win situation because it cannot be defended by rule, now matter how many different rules are quoted.

No one will ever accuse me of being a namby pamby when it comes to sportsmanlike behavior, BUT, I am not going to charge the HC with a TF in this situation. Baseball and softball umpires have a saying: Don't go looking for boogers. Charging the HC with a TF in this situation is a Jimmy Durante's nose full of boogers.

AND, there are many many ways that the officials can take care of this HC once the second half begins. And I am sure that there are many many officials who are very very diligent in applying the appropriate Secions of Rule 10 that apply to misconduct of the HC while the game is actually being played.

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Mark, I have yet to be told why the rules and case plays don't apply.
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Old Mon Dec 29, 2008, 07:57pm
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Mark, I have yet to be told why the rules and case plays don't apply.
They don't apply for those who don't want them to apply. They do apply for those who desire them to. It's that simple.

Considering the NFHS's stance on sporting behavior and inappropriate language, I'm very comfortable penalizing this coach. That kind of stuff is unacceptable at the HS level. I just can't see any assignor or state governing body having a problem with an official taking action here.
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Old Mon Dec 29, 2008, 08:32pm
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Considering the NFHS's stance on sporting behavior and inappropriate language, I'm very comfortable penalizing this coach. That kind of stuff is unacceptable at the HS level. I just can't see any assignor or state governing body having a problem with an official taking action here.
This was the gut-level response I had when this episode originally occurred and I still feel this way. The coach displayed horrible sportsmanship to his kids and we let him get away with it! That's what still gnaws at me.

I appreciate all the responses and recommended courses-of-action, I intellectually understand them all, I'm a manage/call-the-game-by-all-the-rules kinda guy though I've certainly never been accused of being an OOO. BUT...HS sports are (or at least are supposed to be) an extension of the classroom/school activities. As a HS teacher (I wasn't at the time of the incident, BTW) it just bothers me that I and my partners didn't immediately deal with this coach's unacceptable behavior. I have three daughters who all played HS sports and I would not have wanted them to witness or be subjected to this coach's behavior.
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Old Mon Dec 29, 2008, 08:52pm
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I'm on the fence on this issue. I might, or might not, give a technical foul here, but at the minimum, I'm letting the site director, athletic director, and possibly the principal, know what transpired in that locker room, probably through my assigner. In any case, the coach is not going to get away with this.

Many years ago, as I was running past the home team's bench, I heard the head coach yell to his point guard, "Get your f***ing head in the game", after she had the ball stolen, leading to an easy score. It was intended for only her to hear, but I heard it, as did a few girls on the bench. On the way out that night, I reported this to the athletic director, telling him that I thought it was inappropriate, particularly on the high school level, especially with female players. He told me that he appreciated the information, and that he would take care of the matter. I guess he did, because I've never heard that coach use a curse word since that night.

A few years ago, one of our best officials heard a coach, outside his dressing room, give a curse-laced halftime speech to fire up his players. None of the curses were directed at the officials. The next day, the official called the high school principal to report the coach's halftime comments to his players. Although the principal thanked the official for the information, we later heard through the grapevine that the athletic department, from the athletic director down, was not pleased that our official went "over their heads". There was also some discussion within our local board whether the official had done the right thing in this case. Many thought that he probably should have made his complaints known through our assigner.
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[QUOTE=BillyMac;562569]Many years ago, as I was running past the home team's bench, I heard the head coach yell to his point guard, "Get your f***ing head in the game", after she had the ball stolen, leading to an easy score. It was intended for only her to hear, but I heard it, as did a few girls on the bench. On the way out that night, I reported this to the athletic director, telling him that I thought it was inappropriate, particularly on the high school level, especially with female players. He told me that he appreciated the information, and that he would take care of the matter. I guess he did, because I've never heard that coach use a curse word since that night.

Glad the outcome was good, but I'm not letting that one go. He said it during the game and was heard by the official. I'm whacking him.
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