Angry Coach at Halftime

[Corndog89]

The recent thread on coaches being in the officials' dressing room jogged the following from my memory bank...

Halftime, HS boys V, my 2 partners and I are in our dressing room, the coaches office. As at most schools, it is adjacent to the locker room and the home team coach is railing at his kids who trailed at half. Among the loudest and longest of his many very loud, obscenity-laced "comments" was a diatribe regarding what he, in short, considered to be our poor, biased officiating in the 1st half and how his boys couldn't really expect to compete in an "8 vs 5" game. He obviously aimed these comments at us in the next room with its paper-thin walls. This was in my 2nd year of calling HS games and I wanted to T him up for his "commentary". My partners, who had been calling in this area for years, just laughed and said don't worry about it, its halftime and he's in his locker room outside our jurisdiction, or words to that affect. I really don't recall how the 2nd half went or who won the game.

What would you do in a similar situation? I still haven't completely resolved this one in my mind...

[Nevadaref]

That coach can stay in his lockerroom for the 2nd half.

When a coach directly attacks your personal integrity that conduct warrants a flagrant technical foul. This is HS athletics and the wrong message cannot be allowed to be transmitted to the kids.

[JugglingReferee]

There is nothing that puts our jurisdiction on hold between when we arrive on the floor and when we leave the visual confines of the playing area.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

...its halftime and he's in his locker room outside our jurisdiction, or words to that affect...

That was not a good reason on your partner's part. I guess your partner would have the let the coach directly cuss him out b/c they were away from the court?

[Mark Padgett]

Since you could hear the coach through the walls, obviously, he could also hear you. Why didn't you say, very loud, "Hey, how about that idiot coach! The way he's running his team is a joke. This guy is the worst I've ever seen. If his team really wants to win this game, they'll all come out of the locker room and dunk during warmups so we can throw the jerk out and the assistant would take over."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That was not a good reason on your partner's part. I guess your partner would have the let the coach directly cuss him out b/c they were away from the court?

10.4.1 SITUATION B:

At halftime, as the teams, coaches, and officials are
making their way through a hallway to the dressing room, a Team A member verbally
abuses one of the officials. RULING: A technical foul is charged to the team
member and is also charged indirectly to the head coach. During intermission all
team members are bench personnel and are penalized accordingly. If the conduct
is flagrant, the team member shall be disqualified. The third quarter will begin
with two Team B free throws and the ball awarded at half court. The alternating possession arrow is unaffected. Team A will also have one foul toward the team foul count. (10-4-1a)

[williebfree]

I concur with your partners on this one..... It is the coach's lockerroom, as sad as his commentary is, as much as you want to call attention to this idiot's ranting, let it go. He is already "penalizing" the team by creating excuses for his inability to coach.

If he wants to carry this attitude into the second half, you can find ways to address his disrespect on the court in public view.
Depending on whether you care to work there again, you can submit a letter to the AD (as I have in the past) as to what you observed, but it sounds like your partners would not be supportive of this action.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by williebfree

I concur with your partners on this one..... It is EASY TO BE A COWARD.

Fixed it for ya.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by williebfree

I concur with your partners on this one..... It is the coach's lockerroom, as sad as his commentary is, as much as you want to call attention to this idiot's ranting, let it go. He is already "penalizing" the team by creating excuses for his inability to coach.

If he wants to carry this attitude into the second half, you can find ways to address his disrespect on the court in public view.
Depending on whether you care to work there again, you can submit a letter to the AD (as I have in the past) as to what you observed, but it sounds like your partners would not be supportive of this action.

Is this a long way of saying that this should be a flagrant technical? If so, I agree.

It's not rabbit ears when they're screaming at you.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by williebfree

I concur with your partners on this one..... It is the coach's lockerroom..........

It's not like they were hanging outside eavesdropping. The coach knew they were in there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

My partners, who had been calling in this area for years, just laughed and said don't worry about it, its halftime and he's in his locker room outside our jurisdiction, or words to that affect.

So your partners wouldn't enforce this rule either...

10.1.3 SITUATION B:

The home team: (a) has a television monitor in the press
box or the dressing room and is relaying information to the player’s bench; or (b)
uses a replay of the first half during the intermission for use by the coach in
preparation for the second half. RULING: Illegal in both (a) and (b). A technical
foul is charged to the home team in both cases. The prohibition does not affect
the filming, televising or taping of a game if it is not used for coaching purposes
during that particular game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

out in the open with I believe the legal term would be "no expectation of privacy." I may be reading into this but I am seeing this as the comment was made to the official.


in a locker room there is "an expectation of privacy " for a team, and no where does it say the official has authority over what goes on inside the locker room, that is not directly related to some other violation of the rules that I am aware of.

I'm going to keep posting this until you at least address it.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So your partners wouldn't enforce this rule either...

10.1.3 SITUATION B:

The home team: (a) has a television monitor in the press
box or the dressing room and is relaying information to the player’s bench; or (b)
uses a replay of the first half during the intermission for use by the coach in
preparation for the second half. RULING: Illegal in both (a) and (b). A technical
foul is charged to the home team in both cases. The prohibition does not affect
the filming, televising or taping of a game if it is not used for coaching purposes
during that particular game.

[fiasco]

An easy way to tell if someone takes themself too seriously is when they question someone's morals because they disagree with them on a subject as trivial as the rules of basketball.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to keep posting this until you at least address it.

10.1.3
addresses the use of electronic media directly, and does not give the official authority in the dressing room w/o the use of electronic media occuring.

It is also another of those unenforcable rules - since without direct knowledge of the communication or review occuring, there is no way to determine that it has happened, unless you search the dressing room, and to the best of my knowledge you have no authority to do that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

10.1.3
addresses the use of electronic media directly, and does not give the official authority in the dressing room w/o the use of electronic media occuring.

It is also another of those unenforcable rules - since without direct knowledge of the communication or review occuring, there is no way to determine that it has happened, unless you search the dressing room, and to the best of my knowledge you have no authority to do that.

You asked for an instance where we are shown to have authority in the locker room. There it is. I'd say the burden's on you to prove it's only for one infraction of the rules (use of electronic media).