Angry Coach at Halftime

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm going to keep posting this until you at least address it.

10.1.3
addresses the use of electronic media directly, and does not give the official authority in the dressing room w/o the use of electronic media occuring.

It is also another of those unenforcable rules - since without direct knowledge of the communication or review occuring, there is no way to determine that it has happened, unless you search the dressing room, and to the best of my knowledge you have no authority to do that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

10.1.3
addresses the use of electronic media directly, and does not give the official authority in the dressing room w/o the use of electronic media occuring.

It is also another of those unenforcable rules - since without direct knowledge of the communication or review occuring, there is no way to determine that it has happened, unless you search the dressing room, and to the best of my knowledge you have no authority to do that.

You asked for an instance where we are shown to have authority in the locker room. There it is. I'd say the burden's on you to prove it's only for one infraction of the rules (use of electronic media).

[OHBBREF]

the reference is for rule 10 section 1 article 3
which specificall covers only the use of electronic media for coaching communicating with players -

Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
SECTION 1 TEAM TECHNICAL
A team shall not:
ART. 3 . . . Use television monitoring or replay equipment or computers (other than for statistics) for coaching purposes during the game or any intermission or use a megaphone or any mechanical sounding device or any electronic transmission device at courtside for coaching purposes, or electronic equipment for voice communication with players.

where does this give you blanket authority over the lockerroom?

Cajun
I see what you are saying and yes common sense says whack them - however there is nothing in the rules that says you have the authority to do so.
That is the issue, find a way to deal with it.

But you can not tell me you are going to whack a coach if he mouths off and cusses in his locker room during his pre game speech to his team, or he says these three officials are going to homer us - it happens everytime we come here, after the referee's authority begins at the fifteen minute mark and you happen to be in the locker room and over hear it.

So if you accept the 10.1.3 case play as your authority - then you have to act here in the same manner - and in 25 years at upper levels I have never heard of a game or a half starting with a T because of a speech eminating from a locker room.

Since I figure that the odds are that neither of us will convince the others of our correctness I will take the lead and get some rules interpreters opinions as well as try to get rules editors to respond also. It may take a week or more to get the appropriate answers.

[Adam]

Tell me where it says our authority stops on the court? There is nothing anywhere that suggests the media rule is an exception to some policy stopping our jurisdiction at the closed doors of the locker room.

In all those years of "upper levels," how many times have you heard of such a speech being heard by the officials?

BTW, I'm not arguing a T is the best call here; I'll leave that to Nevada. I will argue, however, that you have solid rules backing for it.

Again, where does it say your jurisdiction stops at the door?

ART.2...The official's jurisdiction, prior to the game, begins when they arrive on the floor. The official's arrival on the floor shall be at least 15 minutes before the scheduled starting time of the game.

ART.3...The official's jurisdiction extends through periods when the game may be momentarily stopped for any reason.

ART.4...The jurisdiction of the officials' is terminated and the final score has been approved when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

ART.1...Penalize unsporting conduct by any player, coach, substitute, team attendant or follower.

[LeeBallanfant]

[QUOTE=Ch1town;562512]ART.2...The official's jurisdiction, prior to the game, begins when they arrive on the floor. The official's arrival on the floor shall be at least 15 minutes before the scheduled starting time of the game.QUOTE]

Similar situation, you are in dressing room before game starts, coach in adjoining one, and coach finds out name of officials and starts shouting in his locker room "These are the same F******** A**holes we had last month."

Then you go up to court and coach says "Hi Guys"

What are you going to do now?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

What are you going to do now?

Introduce myself and my partners and then referee the game. How about you?

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Similar situation, you are in dressing room before game starts, coach in adjoining one, and coach finds out name of officials and starts shouting in his locker room "These are the same F******** A**holes we had last month."

Then you go up to court and coach says "Hi Guys"

What are you going to do now?

By rule, there's absolutely nothing we can do in your situation. But the leash is short plus coach is wearing a choker

I posted the following because it seemed as though some of us were unsure of when our jurisdiction was in effect.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

ART.2...The official's jurisdiction, prior to the game, begins when they arrive on the floor. The official's arrival on the floor shall be at least 15 minutes before the scheduled starting time of the game.

ART.3...The official's jurisdiction extends through periods when the game may be momentarily stopped for any reason.

ART.4...The jurisdiction of the officials' is terminated and the final score has been approved when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Tell me where it says our authority stops on the court? There is nothing anywhere that suggests the media rule is an exception to some policy stopping our jurisdiction at the closed doors of the locker room.

I have nothing that allows us specifically in the locker room.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In all those years of "upper levels," how many times have you heard of such a speech being heard by the officials?

Actually quite a few times, I have been in officals locker rooms that are next to team rooms and heard people and officials get called several wonderful expletives, players and other teams called things that are inappropriate, and once I was getting dressed for my game and heard the visiting coach outside the locker room speaking about how bad the JV officals were while they were in the locker room. it comes up maybe not this blatant but I would say that this comes up once or twice a year.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Again, where does it say your jurisdiction stops at the door?

I am going from the opposite angle - where do we get the authority.
I am interested in some official response.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I have nothing that allows us specifically in the locker room.

You don't have to go into the locker room any more than you have to go into the huddle. it's not like we've got the place wired.

To go back to your legalese, if a cop smells marijuana coming from the car, probable cause has been given. If I hear him directly calling me a cheat using expletives in the process, I may have to call the T.

You've got a direct case play indicating that the coach is not immune from the rules even in the confines of his closed locker room. There is nothing that indicates this jurisdiction is an exception.

That said, my threshold for a T is going to be higher here than on the court. If he swears at his players in the locker room, I've got nothing. But taking the opportunity to accuse us of cheating is over the line.

[just another ref]

As far as the geographical limits of the officials jurisdiction:

2-2-1: The officials shall make decisions for infractions of the rules committed within or outside the boundary lines.


That pretty much covers everywhere, doesn't it?