Foul, Rebounders while try in air.

[cgb2010]

Hi everybody, I ref an intramural league that plays by NCAA rules and another league by NFHS rules so if anybody could help me out with rulings under both rules it would be greatly appreciated.

A1 shoots a jumper. While the try is in the air, B1 pushes A2 in the back.

1. What is the ruling if the try is good? I awarded A2 one free throw because I remembered an older referee do the same earlier that year.

2. What if A2 pushes B1 and the try is good? Would this qualify as team control, making the play dead?

Thanks in advance.

[tjones1]

1. Count the bucket and award Team A a throw-in at the spot nearest to the foul (unless they were in the bonus - doesn't sound like they were).

2. Count the bucket. There's no team control on a try/tap. Therefore, if Team B was in the bonus they would shoot free throws. Otherwise, throw-in for Team B.

[BillyMac]

I'll give it a shot. NFHS rules.

A1 shoots a jumper. While the try is in the air, B1 pushes A2 in the back.
Ball has been released on the try, so count the basket by A1.
If Team A is in the bonus, A2 gets a one-and-one, or if Team A is in the double bonus, A2 gets two shots.
If Team A is not in the bonus, Team A gets the ball for a designated spot throwin nearest the foul.

A1 shoots a jumper. While the try is in the air, A2 pushes B1 in the back.
Ball has been released on the try, so count the basket by A1.
If Team B is in the bonus, B1 gets a one-and-one, or if Team B is in the double bonus, B1 gets two shots.
If Team B is not in the bonus, Team B gets the ball for a run-the-endline throwin anywhere on the endline.

All of the above assumes that the ball was released on the try when the foul occurred. If the ball was not released, then continuous motion may apply, team control may apply, and all bets are off. Let's see if my answers above are correct before we go down the "before release" path.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'll give it a shot. NFHS rules.

A1 shoots a jumper. While the try is in the air, A2 pushes B1 in the back.
Ball has been released on the try, so count the basket by A1.
If Team B is in the bonus, B1 gets a one-and-one, or if Team B is in the double bonus, B1 gets two shots.
If Team B is not in the bonus, Team B gets the ball for a run-the-endline throwin anywhere on the endline.

Are you sure team B would get to run the endline?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Are you sure team B would get to run the endline?

Not 100% sure. Maybe about 90% sure. Got any help to offer? JugglingReferee chickened out and didn't broach the no bonus situation. Merry Christmas.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not 100% sure. Maybe about 90% sure. Got any help to offer? JugglingReferee chickened out and didn't broach the no bonus situation. Merry Christmas.

Good catch BM. That's my bad. My better half was yelling at me to turn the computer off as we headed from one Christmas party to another. To be honest, I don't even remember writing what I wrote. I do remember the chocolate that I've been eating. And the food that I've been eating. And the .... and the ....

Since Scrapper1 answered the question, he's the one who gets full marks.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

We headed from one Christmas party to another. I do remember the chocolate that I've been eating. And the food that I've been eating. And the .... and the ....

Do you do the same thing all over again today? You're a party animal. Happy Boxing Day.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Are you sure team B would get to run the endline?

In situation B above, casebook 7.5.7 E seems close to a parallel: "While A1's three-point field-goal attempt is in flight, A3 fouls B1 (B is not in the bonus)... The three-point field goal attempt is successful... RULING: Score the goal for A1. Team B will be permitted to run the end line on the ensuing throw-in."

Seems B would still run the endline, correct?

[Johnny Ringo]

Good deal ... I would have kicked that one!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Are you sure team B would get to run the endline?

Anytime a basket is scored or awarded and the ball will not remain dead, the scoring team's opponent is allowed to make its throw-in from anywhere along the endline.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Anytime a basket is scored or awarded and the ball will not remain dead, the scoring team's opponent is allowed to make its throw-in from anywhere along the endline.

Before that subsequent run-the-endline throwin ends, aren't there situations that can occur, fouls, or violations, that might lead to a new throwin that may, or may not, be a run-the-endline variety?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Before that subsequent run-the-endline throwin ends, aren't there situations that can occur, fouls, or violations, that might lead to a new throwin that may, or may not, be a run-the-endline variety?

There may well be, but I'm having a difficult time coming up with something. 7-7-b stipulates, "A team retains this privilege if the scoring team commits a violation or common foul (before the throw-in ends and before the bonus is in effect) and the ensuing throw-in spot would have been on the end line."

Of course, if the throw-in team commits a violation or foul, they would lose the throw-in altogether.

Can you think of anything else that might occur whereby they'd not be able to run the end line? I'm interested if so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by cgb2010

Hi everybody, I ref an intramural league that plays by NCAA rules and another league by NFHS rules so if anybody could help me out with rulings under both rules it would be greatly appreciated.

cgb2010: Welcome the Forum. If you're a first year official, who has to learn two sets of rules at the same time, for an intramural league, well then, God bless you.

Relying on the advice of an "older referee", if older means more experienced, is often the right thing to do, but you have to be careful, older doesn't always equate to always correct. I'm a good example of this. I've been officiating for 28 years, and I'm still learning. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., who often posts on this Forum, is older than dirt (and actually gave some advice to Dr. Naismith when he invented basketball), and even he's wrong once, or twice, a decade.

Good first post question. Merry Christmas.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by cgb2010

Hi everybody, I ref an intramural league that plays by NCAA rules and another league by NFHS rules so if anybody could help me out with rulings under both rules it would be greatly appreciated.

A1 shoots a jumper. While the try is in the air, B1 pushes A2 in the back.

1. What is the ruling if the try is good? I awarded A2 one free throw because I remembered an older referee do the same earlier that year.

2. What if A2 pushes B1 and the try is good? Would this qualify as team control, making the play dead?

Thanks in advance.

NFHS rules:

1. A1's shot counts. Penalize the B1 foul with the 1+1 or 2 is the bonus is in effect. If there is no bonus, A's throw-in nearest the foul.

2. If A2 fouls, B1, the try is good if it is already in the air. In your case, count the basket, and B1 shoots shots if in the bonus.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by cgb2010

1. What is the ruling if the try is good? I awarded A2 one free throw because I remembered an older referee do the same earlier that year.

CGB, welcome to the forum. The solution you used is the NBA rule. It is different in both NFHS and NCAA, as the others have pointed out.