Correctable timing issue?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In a HS game the clock shouldn't stop, but NFHS rules also do not provide for a shot clock.

Might be California and/or Texas some leagues have shot clocks there I think
but the clock wouldn't stop after made basket in the last minute of any quarter but the fourth I believe.

So in this case this is a timers mistake and the official is to correct the time on the clock.

prior to all of this the official could start a count, you may determine it is at the disposal and not let them manipulate the time to gain an advantage.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Might be California and/or Texas some leagues have shot clocks there I think

Thanks, but I'm aware that a few states employ a shot clock at the HS level. I can even tell you which ones.

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

but the clock wouldn't stop after made basket in the last minute of any quarter but the fourth I believe.

That is one modification that I have not heard of being used at the HS level.

Anyone know of any states that do this?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Thanks, but I'm aware that a few states employ a shot clock at the HS level. I can even tell you which ones.


That is one modification that I have not heard of being used at the HS level.

Anyone know of any states that do this?

I'm not sure that would be the case, it may be no stopping of the clock in any quarter, but if there is stoppage after a made basket it would not be in the second quarter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I'm not sure that would be the case, it may be no stopping of the clock in any quarter, but if there is stoppage after a made basket it would not be in the second quarter.

It could be.

[w_sohl]

We use shot clock and the game clock never stops on a made basket. The most an official could take off would be 4.9 seconds as that would be the only count that would give definate knowledge.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

We use shot clock and the game clock never stops on a made basket. The most an official could take off would be 4.9 seconds as that would be the only count that would give definate knowledge.

definate knowledge does not require a visible count. does not require that you have any other count going , you can just count in your head, so if you were willing to let the guy stand their for ten seconds and not pick up the ball and you did not start a five second count for some reason - if you counted in your head to 6 or 8 or 10. you would have definate knowledge that 10 seconds ran of the colock and you could take that amount of time off the clock.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

definate knowledge does not require a visible count. does not require that you have any other count going , you can just count in your head, so if you were willing to let the guy stand their for ten seconds and not pick up the ball and you did not start a five second count for some reason - if you counted in your head to 6 or 8 or 10. you would have definate knowledge that 10 seconds ran of the colock and you could take that amount of time off the clock.

True, but how many of us start counting the second the ball goes through? I don't, not until they pick up the ball, so while I know more thatn 4.9 may have run off, I'm only taking 4.9 if that is what I got to.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

definate knowledge does not require a visible count. does not require that you have any other count going , you can just count in your head, so if you were willing to let the guy stand their for ten seconds and not pick up the ball and you did not start a five second count for some reason - if you counted in your head to 6 or 8 or 10. you would have definate knowledge that 10 seconds ran of the colock and you could take that amount of time off the clock.

OHBBREF, I chastised you after your very first post on this forum because you wrote a post that was critical of and made fun of the rules knowledge of some other officials in your area. I implied you that you should be careful about laughing at them because your rules knowledge isn't as strong as you think. I don't mean that comment to be nasty, but I believe that it would serve you well to take a hard look at yourself before pointing the finger at others. What you have written above is not true and very poor advice.

Counting in your head is not one of the official counts referred to 5-10-2 and therefore does NOT constitute definite knowledge. The counts needs to be visible and with all of the video that is being captured of games these days, you had darn well better be able to have the tape back you up if you make a timing correction.

Some more carefree officials might count in their heads and claim that is okay, but the fact that there is no way to verify this count leaves them open to severe criticism and makes it difficult for an assignor to back them. I wouldn't advise anyone to do it that way.