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[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

The arrow only changes when the throw in is over. Since there was no throw in it could never be over and the arrow shoudnt change.

Careful on your verbiage here. The throw-in doesn't actually have to occur for the arrow to switch. The arrow is switched when the AP throw-in is completed. The AP throw-in is completed when a legal throw-in is legally touched OR when the throw-in team violates.

You probably knew that, but talking about the throw-in being "over" is imprecise, and saying the arrow can't change because "there was no throw in" is confusing, at best.

[zm1283]

Yeah the arrow doesn't switch. My partners and I had a very similar situation last week in a boys varsity game. A1 drives down the lane, gets stripped, held ball happens. A1 thinks he was fouled so he mouths off in front of one of my partners. Partner T's him. Team B shoots the free throws and gets the ball at the division line. Arrow stays the same since we never had an AP throw-in.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Careful on your verbiage here. The throw-in doesn't actually have to occur for the arrow to switch. The arrow is switched when the AP throw-in is completed. The AP throw-in is completed when a legal throw-in is legally touched OR when the throw-in team violates.

You probably knew that, but talking about the throw-in being "over" is imprecise, and saying the arrow can't change because "there was no throw in" is confusing, at best.

I agree with CG.

The throw-in ENDS when the ball is legally touched inbounds or the throwing team violates. 4-42-5

His use of the word "over" is synonymous with the use of the word "ends."

BTW could you please give me an instance in which the throw-in does not occur, yet the arrow switches?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BTW could you please give me an instance in which the throw-in does not occur, yet the arrow switches?

Between the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Between the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

Hee-hee!! Much better than my answer above.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

His use of the word "over" is synonymous with the use of the word "ends."

I agree that's what he meant. But the rulebook never talks (to my knowledge) of a throw-in being "over", so that -- to me -- was kind of ambiguous. It could mean:

1) the throw-in ends, in the rulebook sense; or
2) a throw-in pass was touched legally.

I just wanted to clarify that the arrow can switch without #2 ever happening.

BTW could you please give me an instance in which the throw-in does not occur, yet the arrow switches?

When the throw-in team violates.

I understand that the throw-in does happen, in the rulebook sense. But there was no throw-in pass. That's the only point I was trying -- unsuccessfully -- to make.

[Caesar's Ghost]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Careful on your verbiage here. The throw-in doesn't actually have to occur for the arrow to switch. The arrow is switched when the AP throw-in is completed. The AP throw-in is completed when a legal throw-in is legally touched OR when the throw-in team violates.

You probably knew that, but talking about the throw-in being "over" is imprecise, and saying the arrow can't change because "there was no throw in" is confusing, at best.

Yes thats what I meant. Since the throw in never began it can never end and the arrow cant switch.