legal or illegal dribble

[mick]

Originally Posted by mbyron

What about setting it on the floor so that it rolls?

Good call, Lord Byron.

[Back In The Saddle]

:sigh:

I thought the "that's gotta be somethun'" mentality was officially restricted to inside the coaching box.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

:sigh:

I thought the "that's gotta be somethun'" mentality was officially restricted to inside the coaching box.

...Stands still and holds....

Why holds ?

[Back In The Saddle]

Yes, we have a definitive statement clarifying the standing still and holding scenario. We have no such statement clarifying placing the ball on the floor. So we are left with...

"A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times."

Placing the ball on the floor doesn't fit that definition. The end result of placing the ball on the floor doesn't even resemble a dribble. So why bring out the shoe horn?

:shrug:

[mick]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Yes, we have a definitive statement clarifying the standing still and holding scenario. We have no such statement clarifying placing the ball on the floor. So we are left with...

"A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times."

Placing the ball on the floor doesn't fit that definition. The end result of placing the ball on the floor doesn't even resemble a dribble. So why bring out the shoe horn?

:shrug:

Because....

Player A, standing still and holding the ball, is closely guarded. To avoid a closely guarded count, Player A puts the ball on the floor and thereby removes player control because he is neither dribbling, nor holding.

If we allow Player A to do that once,... or several times, then Player A may run the clock for quite a while.

By simply deemimg that the released ball is a dribble, we have eliminated the need to change, or clarify, other rules like player control, closely guarded, 5-seconds and dribble.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by mick

Because....

Player A, standing still and holding the ball, is closely guarded. To avoid a closely guarded count, Player A puts the ball on the floor and thereby removes player control because he is neither dribbling, nor holding.

If we allow Player A to do that once,... or several times, then Player A may run the clock for quite a while.

By simply deemimg that the released ball is a dribble, we have eliminated the need to change, or clarify, other rules like player control, closely guarded, 5-seconds and dribble.

Definitely an interesting scenario. And your proposed rules change would be a simple, and probably very effective, way to address the situation. If it ever becomes an issue.

[just another ref]

I guess everybody has a vote here, and my vote is no way is this a dribble.
I think it's clear that there is no definitive answer in the books to this question.
I agree with the philosophy which has been stated here many times in varying degrees: When in doubt, lean toward the no call.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mick

Because....

Player A, standing still and holding the ball, is closely guarded. To avoid a closely guarded count, Player A puts the ball on the floor and thereby removes player control because he is neither dribbling, nor holding.

The closely guarded count then becomes irrelevant because B1 picks up the ball.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mick

Player A, standing still and holding the ball, is closely guarded. To avoid a closely guarded count, Player A puts the ball on the floor and thereby removes player control because he is neither dribbling, nor holding. If we allow Player A to do that once,... or several times, then Player A may run the clock for quite a while.

What an unexpected twist this thread has taken. mick has come up with the oddest "one in a million games" play that I've seen in a long time. He has a great imagination, but we must be able to address this with rules, and/or interpretations. By pushing the limits of a reasonable basketball play, we are forced to better understand the rules, and interpretations.