legal or illegal dribble

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Look, if simply applying a downward force met the definition of "pushing the ball to the floor", then holding the ball and touching to the floor would be a dribble, wouldn't it? You're pushing the ball to the floor, and the ball strikes the floor. That's got to be a dribble. But the rules specifically tell us it's not. So your version of "pushing" doesn't meet the requirement of a dribble.

By making that argument you are failing to acknowledge that one of the implied tenents of the definition of a dribble is that the ball must be released--contact with the hand must cease.

That is not directly stated in 4-15, but the final sentence of 4.15 Comment let's us know that information.

Furthermore, your whole argument centering on a lack of pushing the ball TO THE FLOOR is silly because one could argue the same thing about pushing or throwing the ball straight up into the air and then allowing it to bounce on the floor. One could contend that the player pushed it towards the ceiling and not the floor, so it doesn't meet the definition of a dribble. Silliness.