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Old Thu Nov 20, 2008, 09:16am
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Complete doodoo.

So you are going to contend that no force was applied and that there was no motion involved in getting the ball to that location? How ridiculous.

Also, there are two forces at work in your "static relationship." Gravity is exerting a downward force on the ball which is being met by an equal and opposite upward force from the floor. So take that, Mr. Science Guy.
Beyond doodoo. Reading is so fundamental.

No. I am contending that in the act of "placing" the ball "on the floor" there is no force imparted to the ball by the player. Any motion is a consequence of the ball being at rest in the player's hands while they are in motion. At any point along the path to the floor, if the player's hands stop moving, so does the ball.

This is completely different than "pushing" the ball "to the floor" which does impart a force to the ball, setting the ball in motion independently of the player's hands. Thus the ball continues in motion when when the hand stops pushing.

The argument was being made that "placing" or "putting" the ball "on the floor" was the same as "pushing" the ball "to the floor". But it ain't so. Simply placing the ball on the floor does not meet the definition of a dribble.
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2008, 09:20am
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Beyond doodoo. Reading is so fundamental.

No. I am contending that in the act of "placing" the ball "on the floor" there is no force imparted to the ball by the player. Any motion is a consequence of the ball being at rest in the player's hands while they are in motion. At any point along the path to the floor, if the player's hands stop moving, so does the ball.

This is completely different than "pushing" the ball "to the floor" which does impart a force to the ball, setting the ball in motion independently of the player's hands. Thus the ball continues in motion when when the hand stops pushing.

The argument was being made that "placing" or "putting" the ball "on the floor" was the same as "pushing" the ball "to the floor". But it ain't so. Simply placing the ball on the floor does not meet the definition of a dribble.
Lah me. This kind of thinking is the reason that we needed a rule change to tell us that a THROWN ball from behind the 3 point line was worth three points when it entered the basket.

BTW it has already been mentioned, but dropping the ball from waist height and allowing it to fall to the floor due to gravity, doesn't impart a force from the player's hands to the ball either. I guess you don't think that is a dribble.
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Old Thu Nov 20, 2008, 09:29am
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Also, if you wish to talking about imparting a force to the ball, then you must recognize that in gently placing the ball on the floor so that it does not bounce, the player is, in fact, imparting an upward force to the ball which counteracts the force of gravity. Otherwise, the force of gravity would cause the ball to fall quickly and rebound from the floor when contact was made. The player is obviously opposing that force while lowering the ball. So he is actually pushing the ball upward as he takes it to the floor! That sentence makes this action meets the definition of a dribble even by your reasoning. He simply ceases imparting such a force when the destination is reached and the upward force of the floor is able to take over in counteracting the force of gravity.
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Old Sat Nov 22, 2008, 03:56pm
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Well my interpretations are from the FIBA rules

Rolling the ball is a dribble by the FIBA Rules art 13. How the ball is played and art 24 Dribbling .

So if you consider that as the player placed the ball on the floor the ball rolled, even if half milimeter, when he holds the ball back, this causes the end of the dribble and he must pass/shoot the ball.

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