First 2 Block/Charge Philosophy

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Being as honest and forthright as I can. You're in your second year... you will be having a hard enough time as is to get plays right because you probably haven't seen enough and your play recall is just now starting to get plays filed away in your programmed brain.

Go out and get plays right and the other stuff like tempo, flow, cadence, consistency and feel will just come naturally and come even sooner the harder and more work you put into it. Good luck and just go out and get plays right.

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you to learn that btaylor just wrote something intelligent on this forum.

[zeedonk]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Being as honest and forthright as I can. You're in your second year... you will be having a hard enough time as is to get plays right because you probably haven't seen enough and your play recall is just now starting to get plays filed away in your programmed brain.

Go out and get plays right and the other stuff like tempo, flow, cadence, consistency and feel will just come naturally and come even sooner the harder and more work you put into it. Good luck and just go out and get plays right.

And this is my underlying attitude- I've still got too much going on, especially the beginning of the game, to have to remember a play 2 minutes or 2 quarters ago and to try to do the same. I'm OK with the theory of "be consistent on bang-bang calls" but I have to admit, if I'm not reminding myself of it before I get to my position on the lead, chances are I'm gonna see it, call it, report it and THEN I might remember what my partner called and cringe... hopefully before the coach remembers and tries to blast me for it.

And on the coaches complaining about it, I don't care. Maybe next year or even later on this year, I will care, but not now. "Coach I saw it clearly" is about all I'll say. Nothing about the last call...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

Hi all-

Struggling a little bit with the following:

My 2nd year (I keep telling y'all that)- as we are moving to better games the more senior officials have been advising us to pregame the first two block/charges of the game. Goes something like this- if I'm lead and I have a player control on my end and we go back down and you have something similar, you'd better be calling a player control foul as well...

OK, I get why- we don't want to start the game 1-looking like the 2 officials are on different pages and 2- giving one or both coaches reason to start getting on us for being inconsistent. Here's my problem- what if I get the second block/charge and it's a no-question not-even-close block? I'm supposed to tank the call so we look consistent? Even better, if I'm your partner, am I gonna get the business if I go with the block?

I'm pretty sure I'm adding that question to my pregame with veteran partners...

Thanks
Z

It's your second year. I do not think you're good enough yet to do anything but call what you see. And 22 years later, I still do the same thing.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's your second year. I do not think you're good enough yet to do anything but call what you see. And 22 years later, I still do the same thing.

Show off.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Show off.

Nah, what I'm saying is that I'm not good enough to predetermine my calls.

I do give the benefit of the doubt on real coin-flippers to the defense. For a while it felt like we led the world in PC fouls, but most people have now caught up to us.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Nah, what I'm saying is that I'm not good enough to predetermine my calls.

No where is anyone talking about predetermining calls. If it is a block it is a block - if it is PC it is PC.
What people are trying to get you to do is have consistency on similar plays at both ends of the floor that is all.
It will come in time, you will better understand the process, but if it is 100% a Block it is a Block you do not change it because you just had a PC foul at the other end.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

No where is anyone talking about predetermining calls. If it is a block it is a block - if it is PC it is PC.
What people are trying to get you to do is have consistency on similar plays at both ends of the floor that is all.
It will come in time, you will better understand the process, but if it is 100% a Block it is a Block you do not change it because you just had a PC foul at the other end.

Why does one have to think about it this way then?

See the call, make the call. Know the difference between a block and a charge. Just cause my partner kicks a block/charge at one end doesn't mean I'll do so at the other end in the name of "consistency," either.

"you will better understand the process"? If directed at me, it's condescending and poorly placed. If you are talking to someone else here, then I'll let them tell you that.

I do think this is one of the most talked about calls in basketball that is also one of the easiest to make. Did the defender have LGP? If so, ship it the other way. If not, it's a block. It's not that hard. It is possible to overthink the game.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

My 2nd year (I keep telling y'all that)- as we are moving to better games the more senior officials have been advising us to pregame the first two block/charges of the game. Goes something like this- if I'm lead and I have a player control on my end and we go back down and you have something similar, you'd better be calling a player control foul as well...

I say put all this out of your head. The last call has no bearing on the next call.

[Grail]

We can debate this for years, but in the end there is only 1 answer -- Call it as you see it. If you see a block, call a block. If you see a Player Control foul, call a PC foul. If you see a travel, call a travel.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Grail

We can debate this for years, but in the end there is only 1 answer -- Call it as you see it. If you see a block, call a block. If you see a Player Control foul, call a PC foul. If you see a travel, call a travel.

Yet we all agree that these are judgment calls and that we may all judge them differently. With the inevitable variation, you and your partner could end up calling a very different game if you don't make an effort to pay attention to how your partner is calling the game or even what you've previously called. Having a clear inconsistency among a crew never leads to a good place. The same play should be the same call throughout the game.

When your partner has previously called 5 blocks on what were essentially the same contact against team B, you, having the very same type of contact with the teams in reverse, would be ill advised to call a charge against team B. It doesn't matter if you think it should be a charge and think all 5 of your partner's calls were marginal. The pattern has been well established....don't change it. Be consistent as a crew.