Team Control Mechanic

[PIAA REF]

Last night in my chapter meeting there seems to be some confusion on whether or not they have change the procedure of the mechanic of a team control foul. Last year it was the following sequence. Raised fist in air, followed by "punch signal" followed by signal of fouls (example push, block, ect. ) then point to spot out of bounds. When at the table they wanted just what the foul was. Push, block ect.

Now this year we are being told (but not concretely) that it is the same but when we report to the table we just show the "punch aka team control mechanic.

Has anyone else heard of this, I ref in Pennsylvania, not sure if this is a state thing or not. I am positive that it was how I stated it was last year because that was in the "preseason bulletin" that was published by the PIAA. I am hoping that when the November issue is released there is something that talks about this.

[JRutledge]

This is likely a local thing and something that did not have to change in other circles to have a recommendation.

Peace

[Spence]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

When at the table they wanted just what the foul was. Push, block ect.

Now this year we are being told (but not concretely) that it is the same but when we report to the table we just show the "punch aka team control mechanic.

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Isn't it more important to show the punch at the desk in order to signal no FTs than to show the type of foul (block/push/etc)?

Is there something I'm missing as to why the desk needs to know if was a push or a grab?

Originally Posted by Spence

Isn't it more important to show the punch at the desk in order to signal no FTs than to show the type of foul (block/push/etc)?

Is there something I'm missing as to why the desk needs to know if was a push or a grab?

I agree, but "desk"? Come on Spence. that's too funny

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I agree, but "desk"? Come on Spence. that's too funny

I guess as a rook, I'll have to bite: What? Desk v table?

No biggie, just never heard of that one before. As long as you don't call "over the back fouls" & use the "tip signal" for blocked shots, we're good

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

No biggie, just never heard of that one before. As long as you don't call "over the back fouls" & use the "tip signal" for blocked shots, we're good

At least he didn't say credenza.........

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Spence

Isn't it more important to show the punch at the desk in order to signal no FTs than to show the type of foul (block/push/etc)?

Is there something I'm missing as to why the desk needs to know if was a push or a grab?

You are communicating to more than just the table. I would make the case that is just as valuable to give the type of foul committed so that everyone knows what took place. The Team Control signal is to communicate a specific course of action after the foul.

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are communicating to more than just the table. I would make the case that is just as valuable to give the type of foul committed so that everyone knows what took place. The Team Control signal is to communicate a specific course of action after the foul.

Peace

I hear what you're saying, but we don't do the same for a PCF. Why the distinction?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I hear what you're saying, but we don't do the same for a PCF. Why the distinction?

We don't? I give the signal for a PC foul at the spot and at the table. Am I wrong?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We don't? I give the signal for a PC foul at the spot and at the table. Am I wrong?

JRut is arguing that you should give the foul type at the table as well as the TC signal.

I'm asking why that is not done for PC foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I hear what you're saying, but we don't do the same for a PCF. Why the distinction?

I am not really arguing anything. I am giving the most logical explanation I can think of for the differences. I could be wrong. It would not be the first time; it certainly would not be the last time.

PC foul is a foul with the player that is in control of the foul. There are not many distinctions you would need to make IMO. A Team Control foul could occur in many more situations and types of actions that result in fouls.

And honestly, who really cares why there is a distinction, just know there is one. In my opinion if you are really worried about this, you have other things to worry about. This is such a minor issue in the bigger picture. Just follow what the people you work for want you to do. I do not think there is really a right or wrong on this issue at all.

Peace