Held ball stop clock

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Uh, you forgot the 'T' formation!!!

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No I didn't, as Back In The Saddle has already stated, but I did forget another way to stop the clock; just allow the period to end, the horn will sound all by itself, so there's not need for a whistle, or a signal.

Which begs for a poll. How many officials use a fist before signaling a 'T'?

[Grail]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No I didn't, as Back In The Saddle has already stated, but I did forget another way to stop the clock; just allow the period to end, the horn will sound all by itself, so there's not need for a whistle, or a signal.

Hate to argue, but if every clinic I have ever been to is correct, the official responsible for the last second shot, should blow the whistle at the end of every period.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Grail

Hate to argue, but if every clinic I have ever been to is correct, the official responsible for the last second shot, should blow the whistle at the end of every period.

Why? I only blow the whistle if a shot is taken near the horn. I know there is a thread on this subject somewhere on here; and most people say "why the need for that whistle?"

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Why? I only blow the whistle if a shot is taken near the horn. I know there is a thread on this subject somewhere on here; and most people say "why the need for that whistle?"

I believe the "official" outcome of that thread was "when in Rome..."

[mj]

For the rookies out there, when you have a scrum-like situation, one of the last things I do is put my thumbs in the air for a jump ball. Blow your whistle (several times if need be), get near the players so they know you're nearby, clean up the pile, then put your thumbs in the air.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Although trying to be helpful, I don't agree with the recommendation of your veteran partner. By widespread convention, the open palm signal is not just an indication to stop the clock, it conveys that the reason for doing so is that a violation has been committed. In the case of a held ball that is not true. Neither team has done anything wrong, so should the open palm signal be given?

First off fist up means stop clock for foul and open hand just means stop clock, not stop for violation. Secondly a held ball is a type of violation (I'm sure it says so in the Rules by Topic book, but not sure about the rule book.)

The only possible advantage of using the open hand up before signaling held ball is if another official is calling a foul. Hand up and fist up, get together and talk.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which begs for a poll. How many officials use a fist before signaling a 'T'?

Not me, like was said earlier, skip the fist and get straight to the good stuff

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Secondly a held ball is a type of violation (I'm sure it says so in the Rules by Topic book, but not sure about the rule book.)

Violations are in Rule 9. Held ball isn't in Rule 9. Therefore, ...

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Violations are in Rule 9. Held ball isn't in Rule 9. Therefore, ...

Right you are. But the held ball is enumerated in NFHS 5-8: "Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official:
ART. 1 . . . Signals:
a. A foul.
b. A held ball.
c. A violation."

It would seem it exists as a separate entity, distinct from fouls and violations.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which begs for a poll. How many officials use a fist before signaling a 'T'?

I don't.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

It would seem it exists as a separate entity, distinct from fouls and violations.

Yes -- that's my point.

LDUB (based on some book) has a different opinion.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Violations are in Rule 9. Held ball isn't in Rule 9. Therefore, ...

I see. I am still pretty sure that held ball was listed as a violation in the rules by topic book. I'm not saying that makes it a violation, I'm just saying it.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Next time you see that partner, give them the condecending smile and ask them what the rule book says. Then point out Signal #3 in the back of the book.

Geeez...........you gotta be quick around here, I'd love to be there when he does.

[Grail]

Had an IHSA rules interpretation meeting last night and the interpreter very clearly stated to go straight to the thumbs up on a held ball, without the open hand first.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Technically (pun most assuredly intended) the fist is required before the formation of the T. But it's widely accepted to skip it and get straight to the good part

Many "T"'s happen during a dead ball when the clock is stopped. Therefore, no fist is needed... straight to the "T" only.

If the clock is stopped, why are we signaling to stop the clock???