Held ball stop clock

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Violations are in Rule 9. Held ball isn't in Rule 9. Therefore, ...

Right you are. But the held ball is enumerated in NFHS 5-8: "Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official:
ART. 1 . . . Signals:
a. A foul.
b. A held ball.
c. A violation."

It would seem it exists as a separate entity, distinct from fouls and violations.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which begs for a poll. How many officials use a fist before signaling a 'T'?

I don't.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

It would seem it exists as a separate entity, distinct from fouls and violations.

Yes -- that's my point.

LDUB (based on some book) has a different opinion.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Violations are in Rule 9. Held ball isn't in Rule 9. Therefore, ...

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Right you are. But the held ball is enumerated in NFHS 5-8: "Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official:
ART. 1 . . . Signals:
a. A foul.
b. A held ball.
c. A violation."

It would seem it exists as a separate entity, distinct from fouls and violations.

I found the book. It is the 2006 NFHS Rules by Topic. On page 128 the topic is "Held Ball Violation". I'm not sure why the rule book and the Rules by Topic book disagree on whether a held ball is a violation or not.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by LDUB

I found the book. It is the 2006 NFHS Rules by Topic. On page 128 the topic is "Held Ball Violation". I'm not sure why the rule book and the Rules by Topic book disagree on whether a held ball is a violation or not.

Editorial mistake.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by LDUB

I found the book. It is the 2006 NFHS Rules by Topic. On page 128 the topic is "Held Ball Violation". I'm not sure why the rule book and the Rules by Topic book disagree on whether a held ball is a violation or not.

One of the books is THE book, published by the rules-making body. The other book is A book, written about THE book, published by another company who is not the rules-making body.

Perhaps that doesn't answer the question of why they differ, but I think it does make it clear which is right.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

One of the books is THE book, published by the rules-making body. The other book is A book, written about THE book, published by another company who is not the rules-making body.

The Rules by Topic book is copyrighted by the NFHS. It says it is published jointly by the NFHS, REI, and NASO. I understand that the rule book is only published by the NFHS, but I do not think the book being jointly published makes it less official. Personally I believe that the held ball should not have been listed under violations in the Rules by Topic book. My book is 2 years old, I wonder if anything has changed in the 2007 or 2008 books.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by LDUB

I found the book. It is the 2006 NFHS Rules by Topic. On page 128 the topic is "Held Ball Violation". I'm not sure why the rule book and the Rules by Topic book disagree on whether a held ball is a violation or not.

That was the first year that the Rules by Topic was published. Not surprisingly, it contained a number of mistakes.
Unfortunately, this one wasn't fixed in the 2007-08 version. The same language appears on page 150.