Simultaneous Shot Clock Violation/Held Ball

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Hey Everybody,
This happened to me in a Varsity girls game last night:
A1 shoots late in the shot clock sequence (5 seconds or less remaining) with the rebound being controlled by A4 and B2. As our shot clock hit zero my trail called a held ball while the lead called the shot clock violation! What do you have here?

[Adam]

Be glad everyone didn't freeze waiting for someone else to hit his whistle. I've heard that can happen in these cases.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Hey Everybody,
This happened to me in a Varsity girls game last night:
A1 shoots late in the shot clock sequence (5 seconds or less remaining) with the rebound being controlled by A4 and B2. As our shot clock hit zero my trail called a held ball while the lead called the shot clock violation! What do you have here?

yeah?

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Yeah the ball failed to hit the rim!

[Adam]

I'd go with the violation on this. No time on the shot clock for a throwin.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Hey Everybody,
This happened to me in a Varsity girls game last night:
A1 shoots late in the shot clock sequence (5 seconds or less remaining) with the rebound being controlled by A4 and B2. As our shot clock hit zero my trail called a held ball while the lead called the shot clock violation! What do you have here?

I'm assuming that by "shot clock hit zero" you mean the horn sounded.
I have a shot clock violation. DO NOT go to the arrow.
B ball.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Be glad everyone didn't freeze waiting for someone else to hit his whistle. I've heard that can happen in these cases.

Boy that would really suck. Might even have to e-mail some friends and have a boring argument about what to do.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Boy that would really suck. Might even have to e-mail some friends and have a boring argument about what to do.

The arguement about what to do in the sitch wouldn't have to be boring, but trying to decide whether or not it DID get boring, well, that could get excruciatingly tedious!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

The arguement about what to do in the sitch wouldn't have to be boring, but trying to decide whether or not it DID get boring, well, that could get excruciatingly tedious!

On the boring meter for this thread I'm getting a 7...excruciatingly tedious kicks in at 8.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Might even have to e-mail some friends and have a boring argument about what to do.

There ya go "assuming" again.....

Just saying......

[M&M Guy]

Geeze, what a buncha smart-azzes in this thread.

"A friend of mine" just a had a very similar play happen to them, except no one in the crew had a whistle right away. A1 goes up for the shot, B1 stuffs the shot, and just as they both come down with the ball, the shot clock horn goes off. One official was waiting for the other to call the held ball, while the first was waiting for someone to come in with the shot clock violation. What a bunch of maroons. Finally, someone blew the whistle. Anyway, the held ball definitely occured first, but the horn went off too soon after to have a good idea how much (if any) time should be added back to the shot clock. Also in this case, the arrow was pointing to A.

"My friend" went with the shot clock violation, and kept the arrow the same.

Just curious - what's everyone's take on when a held ball should be called: is it at the moment when a player's shot gets held, or not until they both return to the floor?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Just curious - what's everyone's take on when a held ball should be called: is it at the moment when a player's shot gets held, or not until they both return to the floor?

Put me down for "at the moment when a player's shot gets held."

Of course, if the airborne shooter actually can either pass or shoot before coming down, the ball NEVER was held(NFHS rule 4-25-2).

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There ya go "assuming" again.....

Just saying......

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark!

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Geeze, what a buncha smart-azzes in this thread.

"A friend of mine" just a had a very similar play happen to them, except no one in the crew had a whistle right away. A1 goes up for the shot, B1 stuffs the shot, and just as they both come down with the ball, the shot clock horn goes off. One official was waiting for the other to call the held ball, while the first was waiting for someone to come in with the shot clock violation. What a bunch of maroons. Finally, someone blew the whistle. Anyway, the held ball definitely occured first, but the horn went off too soon after to have a good idea how much (if any) time should be added back to the shot clock. Also in this case, the arrow was pointing to A.

"My friend" went with the shot clock violation, and kept the arrow the same.

Just curious - what's everyone's take on when a held ball should be called: is it at the moment when a player's shot gets held, or not until they both return to the floor?

In this sitch it is a shot clock violation.

As far as a held ball... what if A1 gets a hand on B1's attempt and B1 does not lose control or bobble it due to it getting hit nor does he take the shot but he instead comes to the ground with the ball. What do you think that should be?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

In this sitch it is a shot clock violation.

As far as a held ball... what if A1 gets a hand on B1's attempt and B1 does not lose control or bobble it due to it getting hit nor does he take the shot but he instead comes to the ground with the ball. What do you think that should be?

If the touching did not prevent a shot or pass, it's traveling. If the touching did prevent the shot, then it's a held ball.