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Old Sun Sep 28, 2008, 01:46am
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Calling all Sport Associations! Has this ever happen to you?

Has this ever happen in your sports association?

I receive a letter from my sports board association which states during this season there will be no member evaluated, no appeals and my current ranking will not change until attending camps in the summer 2009.
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Old Sun Sep 28, 2008, 06:37am
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Has this ever happen in your sports association?

I receive a letter from my sports board association which states during this season there will be no member evaluated, no appeals and my current ranking will not change until attending camps in the summer 2009.
If that's all the letter said, I'd toss it.
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Old Sun Sep 28, 2008, 07:56am
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I've never gotten such a letter. I'm not even entirely sure what it means. I don't understand the reference to "appeals". Was this letter only to certain members who didn't attend any camps in '08? Or was it a general policy of the board that we're not going to revise any of our ratings this season until everyone has the chance to attend camp next summer?
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Old Sun Sep 28, 2008, 12:45pm
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I think your best bet would be to ask a board member exactly what the plan is and why they've taken this course of action. You're a member; you have a right to know what your board is doing. Just be tactful.
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Old Sun Sep 28, 2008, 02:05pm
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Sounds like somebody is really tired. Are they at least going to make assignments?
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Old Sun Sep 28, 2008, 04:09pm
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I do not believe I would get such a letter. My associations only ranks officials and half the time we do not know who is ranked where.

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Old Sun Sep 28, 2008, 09:17pm
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our association quit doing evaluation about 3 years ago. Some of the "top" ranked officials felt they were getting screwed, so they dropped the evaluators siting lack of funding and qualified evaluators.

2 years ago we evaluated one another and ranked one another.... that lasted 1 year, again, the big guys weren't ranked where they wanted to be ranked. Now they assign the games themselves, play offs and all.

there's no chance to move up. One of the top guys said, "if you are not one of the top officials by your 5th year, you'll never get any better."

I referee because I love basketball. I love the exercise and I just want to give the kids a fair shot every game. I don't care what game I am doing so long as I am fairly compensated for doing it.
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Old Mon Sep 29, 2008, 07:56am
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I must admit that is a little harse, but attending camps can be looked as professional developement and will make you bettter & can pay off in the long run. Check with whomever sent the letter to get a better understanding of what they were getting at. Good luck....
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Old Mon Sep 29, 2008, 05:27pm
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Suppose I am 5'6" and 275lbs, will the camp make me a better official?

Suppose I am 55 years old and in my 4th year of being an official will the camp make me a better official than someone else in the 4th year who is 28?

Suppose I have dyslexia will a camp make me a better official?

Or are the camps there just to make money?????????

If you have the desire to be a better official, you will be a better official. I have a friend who went to 4 camps one summer, he didn't get any better assignments than I did for high school basketball. But he did have a ton of advice for everyone who didn't go to the camp.

All I can say, is whatever.
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Old Mon Sep 29, 2008, 05:30pm
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The wording does come across as a little harsh but locally I have an expectation that the officials who wish to referee the Premier games will attend a pre season action day and training P.O.E clinics as required.While not compulsory-their assignments and reimbursements will be affected by not attending.And yes they have regular evaluations both at the domestic competition level and also the National panel games hosted here.
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Old Mon Sep 29, 2008, 06:02pm
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Suppose I am 5'6" and 275lbs, will the camp make me a better official?

Suppose I am 55 years old and in my 4th year of being an official will the camp make me a better official than someone else in the 4th year who is 28?

Suppose I have dyslexia will a camp make me a better official?

Or are the camps there just to make money?????????

If you have the desire to be a better official, you will be a better official. I have a friend who went to 4 camps one summer, he didn't get any better assignments than I did for high school basketball. But he did have a ton of advice for everyone who didn't go to the camp.

All I can say, is whatever.
Camp will make you better if you go there with the right attitude and put the information in perspective. Not everything at camp is only about what assignments you have. Sometimes assignments have nothing to do with what you learn directly at camp. I have gone to professional organizational meetings and just like in officiating; you get out of them what you put into them. If you have distain for the process, you do not learn much while attending those functions. Most of what I have learned at camp did not come directly from the games I worked.

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Old Mon Sep 29, 2008, 06:09pm
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Suppose I am 5'6" and 275lbs, will the camp make me a better official?

Suppose I am 55 years old and in my 4th year of being an official will the camp make me a better official than someone else in the 4th year who is 28?

Suppose I have dyslexia will a camp make me a better official?

Or are the camps there just to make money?????????

If you have the desire to be a better official, you will be a better official. I have a friend who went to 4 camps one summer, he didn't get any better assignments than I did for high school basketball. But he did have a ton of advice for everyone who didn't go to the camp.

All I can say, is whatever.
As you can see, my responses are rare and I only post when I'm seriously compelled to add to the discussion. I get your point about the 5'6" 275 lb ref. That's something that seriously effects performance that should and CAN be changed. I DON'T get the reference to the 55 year old ref. Does that mean I can't get better at age 56 (with only 6 years of experience)or that the 28 year old is, or can be, better then me strictly because of his age? Don't think so. At some point age can and does become a factor in performance and most of us recognize and know when that is - but it's rarely at 55 for anyone who maintains their physical conditioning. I've learned and applied as much in the past 6 years as any 28 year old could. I will concede the edge to years of experience but NOT any arbitrary age. Sorry, but I take strong exception to your reasoning and age example and have no idea how it relates to the conversation about performance evaluations.
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Old Mon Sep 29, 2008, 06:34pm
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Suppose I am 5'6" and 275lbs, will the camp make me a better official?
It all depends on what you're willing to put into the camp and how willing you are to learn.

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Suppose I am 55 years old and in my 4th year of being an official will the camp make me a better official than someone else in the 4th year who is 28?
It all depends on what you're willing to put into the camp and how willing you are to learn versus how much he is willing to put into the camp and how willing he is to lean. But in my experience age and years of experience are not very good predictors of comparative performance.

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Suppose I have dyslexia will a camp make me a better official?
What does dyslexia have to do with it? But again, assuming you can get some help properly reading the times and court numbers on your camp schedule...It all depends on what you're willing to put into the camp and how willing you are to learn.

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Or are the camps there just to make money?????????
Of course the person who runs the camp is looking to make money. Why do people get their panties in a wad over this? It works to the camper's advantage. Like any other business, if they want your repeat custom, they have to provide a service worth the price they're asking.

The real question is: Is camp worth the money you'll pay.

The real answer is: It all depends on what you're willing to put into the camp and how willing you are to learn.

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If you have the desire to be a better official, you will be a better official.
That is the absolute one indispensable requirement for getting better. But how much better will an official get during one season? That depends a lot on what kind of knowledgeable feedback he or she gets. Otherwise, it comes down to how many screw ups can I make in one season and learn from while not getting busted?

In my experience, I usually get more, more interested, and better feedback in a 2-3 day camp than I will get from all my partners and the handful of evaluators that I *MIGHT* see during the whole season.

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I have a friend who went to 4 camps one summer, he didn't get any better assignments than I did for high school basketball. But he did have a ton of advice for everyone who didn't go to the camp.

All I can say, is whatever.
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How about this for anecdotal evidence? I've been to a dozen camps in the six summers I've been camping now. I have been a much more skilled official at the end of every one of those camps than I was when I began it. It didn't even matter who was making money off it, or how much. And every year my schedule has improved.

And I'm the least likely guy you'd ever meet to be able to say that. Being a 5' 6" 275 pound 55 year old 4th year guy with dyslexia, that would be an improvement.

It all depends on what you're willing to put into the camp and how willing you are to learn.
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Suppose I am 5'6" and 275lbs, will the camp make me a better official?

Suppose I am 55 years old and in my 4th year of being an official will the camp make me a better official than someone else in the 4th year who is 28?

Suppose I have dyslexia will a camp make me a better official?
If you have a desire to go to camp and get better, you will improve. You may never call varsity or move up to college or whatever, but if the camp is well run and the trainers are fair, yes, it will make you a better official.
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Old Mon Sep 29, 2008, 10:09pm
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Suppose I am 5'6" and 275lbs, will the camp make me a better official?
While it may make the person a "better" official, it will not address thier most limiting issue...their ability to keep up with just about any game....even MS. Their time/money might be better spend on fitness training.

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Suppose I am 55 years old and in my 4th year of being an official will the camp make me a better official than someone else in the 4th year who is 28?
It will make both better...but in general, younger people learn new things easier than an older person....but YMMV.

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Suppose I have dyslexia will a camp make me a better official?
Quite likely. A person with dyslexia might have difficulty reading and learning from a book or magazine so on the court training might be the most benefical place to learn.
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Or are the camps there just to make money?????????
Some of them are.
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If you have the desire to be a better official, you will be a better official. I have a friend who went to 4 camps one summer, he didn't get any better assignments than I did for high school basketball. But he did have a ton of advice for everyone who didn't go to the camp.

All I can say, is whatever.
Just going to 4 camps doesn't necessarily mean a person will learn anything. It may not have addressed the #1 issue your assignor considers necessary for your friend to move up.
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