A rule that i can't find the answer for.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The rule was changed in 2001 or 2002, if memory serves me. Previously the official had to deem the "pass" from beyond the 3-point line that went in the basket to be a try. The rule change allowed any "try, tap or thrown ball" from beyond the line that went in the basket to count for three points.

BayStateRef: Thanks. I was almost sure that I didn't dream about that problem with the new three point line.

Now, can you give us any insight to my other question about the new three point line? Did I dream it, or did we have a problem with a defensive player, jumping from the two point area of the court, touching a try from behind the three point line? Was this ever, even for a brief period of time, counted as two points? I'm almost sure that I didn't dream about this early three point problem, but as we all know, "almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades." (Imagine an image of a horseshoe and/or a hand grenade posted here)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Imagine an image of a horseshoe and/or a hand grenade posted here

I imagined that horseshoe and hand grenade being shoved up your picture-posting butt. I then imagined your hero, Chuck Elias, personally pulling the pin on the grenade.

I LIKE that picture!

Anybody else? Maybe we should have a poll.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I LIKE that picture! Maybe we should have a poll.

Hey. How about a little credit. I believe that haven't posted as image, as tempting as it's been, in almost twenty-four hours. I will be contacting the Guinness World Record people soon.

Jurassic Referee: Now that I've gotten your attention, can you help me out? In my opinion, you're one of our Forum rules changes experts. Was there ever a time, even for a very brief period of time, when a defensive player, jumping from the two point area of the court, touching a try from behind the three point line, where the try counted as only two points.

I keep getting hints from members about polls. Let me give it some thought. It could be a good substitute for images? I'll have to get back to you after I mull it over. Or we can have a poll about me starting polls. First I've got to figure out how this poll thing works. It took me quite a while to figure out how to work the image feature of this Forum. Much thanks to those members who helped me figure it out. I'm sure that all Forum members appreciate those members helping me out.

And it's ChuckElias, not Chuck Elias. That's like assuming that BillyMac (Official Forum), and Billy Mac (NFHS forum) are one in the same. As Felix said to Oscar, "You know what happens when you assume?", and I don't need any tempting to post an image of a donkey.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

1) Was there ever a time, even for a very brief period of time, when a defensive player, jumping from the two point area of the court, touching a try from behind the three point line, where the try counted as only two points.

2) I keep getting hints from members about polls. It took me quite a while to figure out how to work the image feature of this Forum. Much thanks to those members who helped me figure it out.

3) And it's ChuckElias, not Chuck Elias.

1) Not to my recollection. BayStateRef gave you the right info above. Up to the 2001-02 season, to score a 3 on a ball tipped by a defender standing inside the arc, you had to rule that it was a "try" or a "tap". If you judged it to be a "pass" or a "throw", you scored a 2. In the 2001-02 season, the FED took the judgment out of the call by adding a "pass" or "throw" to the situations when you still score a 3.

2) Iirc, I was one of the members who showed you how to post pictures. I rank that as one of the dumbest things that I have ever done. As for polls, when it comes to officiating rules or mechanics, polls are about as helpful as some of the pictures you post.

3)

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Up to the 2001-02 season, to score a 3 on a ball tipped by a defender standing inside the arc, you had to rule that it was a "try" or a "tap". If you judged it to be a "pass" or a "throw", you scored a 2. In the 2001-02 season, the FED took the judgment out of the call by adding a "pass" or "throw" to the situations when you still score a 3.

The previous rule said nothing about the ball being tipped. Only a try or tap from beyond the arc could be scored as 3 points. If the official judged the play a pass (as in an alley-oop) that went in, it was 2 points. The rule changed added the words "thrown ball" so that anything launched from beyond the arc that goes in is 3 points.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The rule changed added the words "thrown ball" so that anything launched from beyond the arc that goes in is 3 points.

......and any foul on the launch is 3 free throws for the launcher?

I remember 7-8 years ago when I was keeping book during our V boys at a rival gym.

We are tied with 5 seconds or so and make 1 of 2 at the line to go up by one. The second FT (miss) is rebounded by home team and A1 rebounds, turns and throws towards a WIDE OPEN A2 standing at mid court. B1 fouls A1 during the pass. 3 free throws. I remember exact words at the table. "Coach, white is losing with 5 seconds to go. Of course he was shooting a three."

Of course, 2 minutes later he ended up shooting 5.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CoachP

......and any foul on the launch is 3 free throws for the launcher?

I remember 7-8 years ago when I was keeping book during our V boys at a rival gym.

We are tied with 5 seconds or so and make 1 of 2 at the line to go up by one. The second FT (miss) is rebounded by home team and A1 rebounds, turns and throws towards a WIDE OPEN A2 standing at mid court. B1 fouls A1 during the pass. 3 free throws. I remember exact words at the table. "Coach, white is losing with 5 seconds to go. Of course he was shooting a three."

Of course, 2 minutes later he ended up shooting 5.....

At that time it was strictly a judgment call as to whether it was a shot or a pass. Of course the coach would disagree with the official's judgment. The call went against him.

[BillyMac]

From BillyMac: Was there ever a time, even for a very brief period of time, when a defensive player, jumping from the two point area of the court, touching a try from behind the three point line, where the try counted as only two points?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Not to my recollection. BayStateRef gave you the right info above. Up to the 2001-02 season, to score a 3 on a ball tipped by a defender standing inside the arc, you had to rule that it was a "try" or a "tap". If you judged it to be a "pass" or a "throw", you scored a 2. In the 2001-02 season, the FED took the judgment out of the call by adding a "pass" or "throw" to the situations when you still score a 3.

Thanks BayStateRef, and Jurassic Referee. I guess I was dreaming about a problem with the initial three point rule, or mixing it up with the pass, or try, problem.

Going on thirty-six hours and no images. Giving up caffeine was easier than this. I'd love to post an image of a cold turkey here, but I must resist. Is there a twelve step program for inane, irrelevant, idiotic, and annoying image addiction?