A rule that i can't find the answer for.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kirkleton

I had it come up in a game a while ago...where a player takes a 3 point shot from outside the 3 point line, the defender jumps from inside the 3 point line and hits the ball with his finger tips and the shot still goes in.

Is this still counted as a 3 pointer or just 2?

I haven't been able to get a definate answer on this one

3 points. Look in the early part of rule 5 (iirc) and the related cases where it talks about the value of baskets

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

3 points. Look in the early part of rule 5 (iirc) and the related cases where it talks about the value of baskets

Agree. Three points.

However, when the three point line was first added to the NFHS rules, wasn't there some question about this situation, and weren't there further rule changes, case book situations, or points of emphasis that cleared that up in a year or two?

[BayStateRef]

Rule 5-2-1.
Casebook 5.2.1 Situation C (b).

[Mark Padgett]

Think of it this way. Does the touch by the defender qualify as one of the definitions that a shot would end? No. Therefore the shot is still considered as the original shot when it goes through the basket and therefore is worth three points.

[caveman42]

It should count as 3 points.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Rule 5-2-1.
Casebook 5.2.1 Situation C (b).

BayStateRef: Thanks for the citations. For those coaches and/or fanboys who don't have a casebook:

5.2.1 Situation C: A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The ball is legally touched by: (a) B1 who is in the three-point area; (b) B1 who is in the two-point area; (c) A2 who is in the three-point area; or (d) A2 who is in the two-point area. The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket. Ruling: In (a) and (b), three points are scored since the legal touching was by the defense and the ball was thrown from behind the three-point line. In (c), score three points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred behind the three-point line. In (d), score two points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred in the two-point area.

Again I ask, when the three point line was first added to the NFHS rules, wasn't there some question about this situation, and weren't there further rule changes, case book situations, or points of emphasis that cleared that up in a year or two?

Also, when the three point line was first added to the NFHS rules, wasn't there some question about whether of not the ball that went in from behind the three point line was a pass, or a shot, and, again, weren't there further rule changes, case book situations, or points of emphasis that cleared that up in a year or two, such as:

5.2.1 Situation B: With 2:45 left in the second quarter, B1 has the ball on the left wing in Team B's frontcourt, standing behind the three-point arc. B5 makes a backdoor cut toward the basket. B1 passes the ball toward the ring and B5 leaps for the potential "alley-oop" dunk. The ball, however, enters and passes through the goal directly from B1's pass and is not touched by B5. Ruling: Score three points for Team B. A ball that is thrown into a team's own goal from behind the three-point arc scores three points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for goal.

Come on Jurassic Referee, Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., and you other experienced, but not necessarily old, veterans. Am I dreaming about these early three point problems, or did they really exist?

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Also, when the three point line was first added to the NFHS rules, wasn't there some question about whether of not the ball that went in from behind the three point line was a pass, or a shot, and, again, weren't there further rule changes, case book situations, or points of emphasis that cleared that up in a year or two, such as:

5.2.1 Situation B: With 2:45 left in the second quarter, B1 has the ball on the left wing in Team B's frontcourt, standing behind the three-point arc. B5 makes a backdoor cut toward the basket. B1 passes the ball toward the ring and B5 leaps for the potential "alley-oop" dunk. The ball, however, enters and passes through the goal directly from B1's pass and is not touched by B5. Ruling: Score three points for Team B. A ball that is thrown into a team's own goal from behind the three-point arc scores three points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for goal.

The rule was changed in 2001 or 2002, if memory serves me. Previously the official had to deem the "pass" from beyond the 3-point line that went in the basket to be a try. The rule change allowed any "try, tap or thrown ball" from beyond the line that went in the basket to count for three points.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The rule was changed in 2001 or 2002, if memory serves me. Previously the official had to deem the "pass" from beyond the 3-point line that went in the basket to be a try. The rule change allowed any "try, tap or thrown ball" from beyond the line that went in the basket to count for three points.

BayStateRef: Thanks. I was almost sure that I didn't dream about that problem with the new three point line.

Now, can you give us any insight to my other question about the new three point line? Did I dream it, or did we have a problem with a defensive player, jumping from the two point area of the court, touching a try from behind the three point line? Was this ever, even for a brief period of time, counted as two points? I'm almost sure that I didn't dream about this early three point problem, but as we all know, "almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades." (Imagine an image of a horseshoe and/or a hand grenade posted here)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Imagine an image of a horseshoe and/or a hand grenade posted here

I imagined that horseshoe and hand grenade being shoved up your picture-posting butt. I then imagined your hero, Chuck Elias, personally pulling the pin on the grenade.

I LIKE that picture!

Anybody else? Maybe we should have a poll.