When does the count end?

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by curtstrouth

When does a 5 second and 10 second count end?

1. At the release of the pass by the passer

or

2. When the pass is legally touched on an inbounds pass or touched in the frontcourt

A 5-second count on inbounds play ends when the ball leaves the passers hands in the direction of the court.

A 10-second count in the back court ends when the ball is touched by a player in the front-court.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

A 10-second count in the back court ends when the ball is touched by a player in the front-court.

Oh? What if the ball hits in the frontcourt before it is touched by a player in the frontcourt?

Methinks you might want to sneak a peek at case book play 9.8SitB.

Or alternatively, maybe you can call it using advantage/disadvantage.

[BillyMac]

I seem to remember an IAABO Refresher Exam question, from about ten or fifteen years ago, that had a very unusual question. Please don't make me look back at all my old exams to find the correct wording of the question, and answer, but I went something like this.

During a designated spot throwin in the back court by A-1, the short pass just bounces on the court, in the backcourt, untouched by anyone for ...... I don't remember the rest of the question, but I remember that the question was silly because, in a real game, about nine players would be trying to get their hands on the ball as soon as possible. The Exam came after the NFHS changed from the five second count ending on the catch of the throwin, to the release of the throwin.

Do any IAABO members remember this question, its wording, or the given answer?

By the rules, in a hypothetical situation, what happens if nobody wants to pick up that ball. The thrower hasn't violated because the ball has been released in less than five seconds. The clock hasn't started, because it hasn't been touched inbounds. A ten second count hasn't started because there is no team control established. Hypothetically, by NFHS rules, how long can that ball stay there on the court?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

By the rules, in a hypothetical situation, what happens if nobody wants to pick up that ball. The thrower hasn't violated because the ball has been released in less than five seconds. The clock hasn't started, because it hasn't been touched inbounds. A ten second count hasn't started because there is no team control established. Hypothetically, by NFHS rules, how long can that ball stay there on the court?

Double Ts for "allowing the game to turn into an actionless contest." Go to POI (readminster the throw-in). If it happens again, terminate the game and call the assinger / conference / state, etc.

[mkiogima]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

During a designated spot throwin in the back court by A-1, the short pass just bounces on the court, in the backcourt, untouched by anyone for ...... I don't remember the rest of the question, but I remember that the question was silly because, in a real game, about nine players would be trying to get their hands on the ball as soon as possible.

I've seen this in a game before. The thrower rolled the ball right down the middle of the court and the person that it was being passed to walked with the ball all the way to half court before he picked it up. The thrower went sprinting down the court to get into position. I was trail on that play and even if I had been keeping a backcourt count they would have been fine.

That is a good point though about the five second count ending but when does then 10 count start?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by mkiogima

That is a good point though about the five second count ending but when does then 10 count start?

When the ball is controlled in the backcourt.

[mkiogima]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

When the ball is controlled in the backcourt.

But say the ball stops, how long do you wait for them to establish possession? What if the player just stands there and waits for the coach to finish yelling out instructions?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by mkiogima

But say the ball stops, how long do you wait for them to establish possession? What if the player just stands there and waits for the coach to finish yelling out instructions?

Then you just wait until the ball is possessed. Also, see post #15:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Double Ts for "allowing the game to turn into an actionless contest." Go to POI (readminster the throw-in). If it happens again, terminate the game and call the assinger / conference / state, etc.

But this is only if neither team is going to grab the ball. If A is awaiting instructions and B is playing a packed in defense and waiting for A to move, you have to judge whether A is intentionally allowing the game to develop into an actionless contest.

In other words, it will probably never happen to you.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

When the ball is controlled in the backcourt.

Put more accurately, when a ball under team control enters the backcourt.

Think of A1 in the frontcourt making a pass to A2, but the pass is deflected into the backcourt by B1. The 10 second count should start as soon as the ball strikes the floor in the backcourt.

[cloverdale]

just had this last night...rule4-45-2...legally touched as per nfhs website basketvall rule changes...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I seem to remember an IAABO Refresher Exam question, from about ten or fifteen years ago, that had a very unusual question. During a designated spot throwin in the back court by A-1, the short pass just bounces on the court, in the backcourt, untouched by anyone for ...... I don't remember the rest of the question, but I remember that the question was silly because, in a real game, about nine players would be trying to get their hands on the ball as soon as possible. The Exam came after the NFHS changed from the five second count ending on the catch of the throwin, to the release of the throwin. Do any IAABO members remember this question, its wording, or the given answer?

Yesterday I spent about an hour perusing IAABO Exams, and IAABO Refresher Exams, from the past 28 years, without finding this question. Do any of you veteran IAABO members remember this question? Can anybody locate the question? I do remember that this was the most ridiculous question to ever appear on an IAABO exam of any type.