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Old Sun Aug 08, 2004, 04:25pm
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What are your BJ's going to use for the visible count for the last 5 seconds of the 25 second count?

It was mentioned in here a while back that someone simply put their hand straight up.
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Old Sun Aug 08, 2004, 04:43pm
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Illinois wants a basketball "count" for the last 5 seonds according to the rules meeting I just attended..
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Old Sun Aug 08, 2004, 07:52pm
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Illinois wants a basketball "count" for the last 5 seonds according to the rules meeting I just attended..
Same in NC. Following the NFHS mechanic to the letter.
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Old Sun Aug 08, 2004, 08:20pm
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Same in Califonia, the five second baskettball count
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Old Mon Aug 09, 2004, 02:25am
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Here in PA, they want the back judge to signal when there is 5 seconds remaining in the count by putting his hand up (like the dead ball signal), which is not a change since the BJ has been doing this all along.
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Old Mon Aug 09, 2004, 06:28am
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Ohio will be doing the same as PA. Raising the BJ's hand with 5 seconds remaining in the count.
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Old Mon Aug 09, 2004, 09:00am
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NY's not doing it.
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Old Mon Aug 09, 2004, 03:31pm
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Our back judge uses an upward choping count on the last five seconds of the count.
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Old Mon Aug 09, 2004, 09:49pm
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Went to rules meeting tonight in Nebraska. They want us to use the 5-second arm count, just like basketball. They said they will downgrade anyone who raises their hand, since that's the dead ball signal.
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Old Tue Aug 10, 2004, 02:07am
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Here in PA, the PIAA does not want the "basketball" count, just that BJ's do what the have always done (indicate 5 seconds left with a raised hand). I don't know why they don't want the basketball count, but what they say, goes.
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Old Tue Aug 10, 2004, 08:54am
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KS, they 'suggested' that we use the basketball count. My crew will continue to use the hand in the air mechanic. The reasoning is this gives my backjudge the hammer and does not leave room for some asst. coach to start counting the arm motions and throw a fit because he thinks we got to five before the snap was off.
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Old Tue Aug 10, 2004, 09:29am
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KS, they 'suggested' that we use the basketball count. My crew will continue to use the hand in the air mechanic. The reasoning is this gives my backjudge the hammer and does not leave room for some asst. coach to start counting the arm motions and throw a fit because he thinks we got to five before the snap was off.
I agree whole-heartedly! All we need is for some coach to question whether it was 4.9 or 5.0 seconds! We have enough problems on the fields with the clocks when the 25-second operator starts the clock 5 seconds late!
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Old Tue Aug 10, 2004, 12:38pm
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In Denver, (and maybe all of Colorado) the BJ raises his hand vertically at 20 seconds, then uses the basketball for the remaining count... I think the idea was that if the QB just sees you start chopping, he may not know if you're on 21 or 24... But if you start with the raised hand, then start chopping, he'll have a better chance of knowing where the clock is at...
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Old Tue Aug 10, 2004, 03:06pm
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Iowa is not using any mechanic at all.
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Old Tue Aug 10, 2004, 10:34pm
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the problem with doing the basketball count is most officials are not consistant with it. usually he is too slow with his count. five seconds is a pretty fast chop. our comish for our assc. last year timed some bj count and most were around 7 seconds. thats all good but we have had some teams that ran the double wing and would time the snap with one or two seconds left every snap. the back judge had to be right on with his count or the other team was on his ***. So this year we went to just the arm up at five seconds, that way every one knows to hurry the heck up.
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