When does the count end?

[curtstrouth]

When does a 5 second and 10 second count end?

1. At the release of the pass by the passer

or

2. When the pass is legally touched on an inbounds pass or touched in the frontcourt

[Ref in PA]

For an inbounds pass, the 5 second count ends on the release by the inbounder.

For a pass from backcourt to frontcourt, the 10 second count ends when the ball strikes something with frontcourt status, thus giving the ball frontcourt status (or the ball goes oob). The 10 second count ends when the ball achieves frontcourt status either by pass or by the dibbler getting both feet and the ball in the frontcourt.

Edited: Also the 10 second count begins when the ball is controled in backcourt. The clock should be started (chopped) when the ball is touched legally inbounds.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

or by the dibbler getting both feet and the ball in the frontcourt.

Did you mean the Diebler?

[Ref in PA]

Vanna can I buy and "R"?

Dribbler! (with apologies to the famous Jon Diebler).

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

Vanna can I buy and "R"?

Dribbler! (with apologies to the famous Jon Diebler).

Do you also want to buy an "R"? Nyork, nyork, nyork.

Hey - notice all the smiley faces.

[Ref in PA]

Maybe I should just give up on this thread.

[kkullman9]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

For an inbounds pass, the 5 second count ends on the release by the inbounder.

For a pass from backcourt to frontcourt, the 10 second count ends when the ball strikes something with frontcourt status, thus giving the ball frontcourt status (or the ball goes oob). The 10 second count ends when the ball achieves frontcourt status either by pass or by the dibbler getting both feet and the ball in the frontcourt.

Edited: Also the 10 second count begins when the ball is controled in backcourt. The clock should be started (chopped) when the ball is touched legally inbounds.

I believe Pennsylvania just changed this rule this year. The count now ends when the ball is touched.

[Ref in PA]

Originally Posted by kkullman9

I believe Pennsylvania just changed this rule this year. The count now ends when the ball is touched.

I have not been instructed that this is the case, neither is there an exception on the PIAA website as you have indicated above. So, I do NOT believe PA changed the rule this year, nor did the NFHS. I would double check your sources.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

I have not been instructed that this is the case, neither is there an exception on the PIAA website as you have indicated above. So, I do NOT believe PA changed the rule this year, nor did the NFHS. I would double check your sources.

He's just confused by the rule change that states that a throw-in now ends when legally touched. Of course, that has nothing to do with the five-second count. He's probably a newer official.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by curtstrouth

When does a 5 second and 10 second count end?

1. At the release of the pass by the passer

or

2. When the pass is legally touched on an inbounds pass or touched in the frontcourt

3. When my arm stops swinging.

The actual answer is both.

During a throwin, it's 1.
During a backcourt count, it's 2.

[inigo montoya]

Just curious how many have called the 10-second violation when the ball is in the air over the frontcourt, but has not yet attained FC status.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

Just curious how many have called the 10-second violation when the ball is in the air over the frontcourt, but has not yet attained FC status.

To do otherwise is to screw the defensive team.

[inigo montoya]

Nevada,

I'm laughing a little bit to myself here. If you read my actual words anywhere near as clearly as you read the rules, you would see that I do not advocate any position on this other than your own. Nor did I state that I had done otherwise. I merely asked how many had actually made this call, what with all the talk around here about being just a "little" slow with 10 second counts, etc.

Save the smacking-his-head emoticon for when I've actually said something contrary to what you believe.

[Adam]

Inigo, reread Nevada's post. He didn't accuse you of anything. Looks to me like his emoticon is raising his hand, not smacking his head.

FWIW, I've made the call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

Nevada,

I'm laughing a little bit to myself here. If you read my actual words anywhere near as clearly as you read the rules, you would see that I do not advocate any position on this other than your own. Nor did I state that I had done otherwise. I merely asked how many had actually made this call, what with all the talk around here about being just a "little" slow with 10 second counts, etc.

Save the smacking-his-head emoticon for when I've actually said something contrary to what you believe.

You misunderstand my post.
I never state or implied that you did anything of the sort. I merely stated a fact that if an official fails to properly enforce the rule, then the defense is getting screwed.

Also, if you look more closely at the emoticon that I used, you will see that it is merely a little guy waving, not a "smacking-his-head" shot towards you. In fact, it was meant to represent ME raising my hand to indicate that I am someone who has done as you asked.

PS This is the head smack