coach comes in the locker room after game

mightyvol · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 02:06am

fellow members:

i have been a basketball official in the state of minnesota for 9 years and i have never seen this. the other night i went to watch a game in the area. i take the opportunity to go and watch other officials work if i have the chance. this is a good way for me to learn. anyhow, i happenend to know the 2 officials working the game. the game was a difficult game to work. there were numerous block/charge calls in the game. it just so happens that the home team coach felt like he wasnt getting the calls. after the game i went to the locker room to talk to the guys and talk about the game. low and behold the head coach of the home team comes through a door that is connected to the officials room. upon entry he tells them "how awful they were and that they wouldnt work in his gym again." i was wondering what you as an official would do about this. does this action grant a letter to the state offices or what. thanks for the response.

mightvol

zebraman · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 02:13am

I'm not sure how your local referee group is set up, but that should definitely be reported. In my area, you would submit an "incident report" to the local referee association and then the board of directors of the referee association would follow-up on it.

Referees have a right to their privacy after the game. The home coach had NO BUSINESS being in there. Report it.

Z

mightyvol · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 02:28am

if have been trying to convince the guys to report it to the state offices here in mn. the problem about reporting it they say, is that they know how the coach is and they respect his opinion. i say b.s. its time for we officials to stand up and be counted. enough mr nice guy. i agree 100% that they should report this situation.

mightyvol

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 02:32am

I have had similar situations happen twice to me. No big deal, but I reported the incidents. The state took care of that and suspended the appropriate individuals.

Good schools know better. But one of the incidents was with the visiting coach.

Peace

devdog69 · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 08:15am

Quote:

Originally posted by mightyvol
if have been trying to convince the guys to report it to the state offices here in mn. the problem about reporting it they say, is that they know how the coach is and they respect his opinion. i say b.s. its time for we officials to stand up and be counted. enough mr nice guy. i agree 100% that they should report this situation.

mightyvol

They respect his opinion???? I would have no respect for an individual that pulls this crap, no matter who he was. It is definitely out of bounds and needs to be reported. We had an athletic director come into our locker room and tell my partner "I don't know what we did to piss you off, but you did a piss-poor job of officiating tonight". Totally floored us and after we escorted him out of his own locker room, the other guy and I said "well, guess we did alright, he didn't say anything about us". We definitely had no hesitation in reporting it, "unusual situation report" in our state.

DrakeM · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 08:19am

In Utah, if a Coach goes into the locker room,
it's an automatic suspension.
I agree with devdog. You can repsect a coach's opinion,
but when he comes into the locker room and berates the officials, he's just another howler monkey!

Brian Watson · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 08:49am

Ahhh....The circle of protecting your schedule and tourney votes continues.....

Huskerblue · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 08:56am

What if the coach comes in to your locker room and says Good Job?? Or some other compliment? Happened to us last Tuesday night. I had no problem with it. Granted, the door was "locked" and we let the coach pop in for about 10 seconds.

Dan_ref · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 09:49am

Quote:

Originally posted by Huskerblue
What if the coach comes in to your locker room and says Good Job?? Or some other compliment? Happened to us last Tuesday night. I had no problem with it. Granted, the door was "locked" and we let the coach pop in for about 10 seconds.

You can't prevent anyone with a key from popping in,
or even anyone without a key from knocking on the door.
If they knock, you can choose to not answer, which is what
I do. If they have a key then you meet them at the door,
smile, say "Thanks" and try to hustle them out as quickly as
possible. Usually coaches who pop in are well intended, but
there are the few out there who are just itching for a
fight.

mightyvol, these guys have just got to write this up and
report it to anyone that will listen. It might hurt them
if they do, but it will hurt them more in the long run
if they don't.

a.f.sports · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 09:58am

This has also happened to me. In a very professional manner, ask the the coach to leave, if he insist on staying try having administration remove him and DEFINATELY report it. We listen to coaches enough on the sideline don't need it in the dressing room!

coach mb · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 10:11am

I'm always looking for officials for our home games.

I'm at an away game. The girl's team is playing and we're up next.

I feel that the ref's are both professional and well knowledged.

When the girl's game ends ... I go into the ref's room to get their names. Granted, at this point, I don't know if they're going to stay for our game or not. But I don't want to take the chance that I miss him.

Acceptable?

ps ... one stayed for our game, the other did not.
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rockyroad · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 10:24am

One thing you might try, mightyvol, is asking these officials what someone else's perception of the whole situation might be...example: visiting jv coach happens to be standing at the other end of the hallway and sees home coach go into the locker room...has no idea what is said in there, but knows the coach was in there with the refs...what will his perception of those officials be now? Will that team want them doing any more of their games?? If they don't report it, they could come out looking pretty bad around that league...if they do report it, when the visiting coach or AD calls the assignor to complain about the perceived situation, the assignor can tell him that it isn't what he thinks, there is a report filed, and it is being investigated...they come out looking a whole lot better!

devdog69 · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 10:58am

Quote:

Originally posted by coach mb
I'm always looking for officials for our home games.

I'm at an away game. The girl's team is playing and we're up next.

I feel that the ref's are both professional and well knowledged.

When the girl's game ends ... I go into the ref's room to get their names. Granted, at this point, I don't know if they're going to stay for our game or not. But I don't want to take the chance that I miss him.

Acceptable?

ps ... one stayed for our game, the other did not.
I

Coach, I know this seems innocent, but I would suggest catching them going in or coming out of the locker room or talking to the home AD and having him go in with you or give you their names himself and pass on to them why you wanted it. Just think it will avoid the look of impropriety.

Bart Tyson · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 11:30am

"You will never work in this gym again". Here are two funny stories, two different womens camps at the Show Me State Games in the summer. 1) 4 games going side by side on 4 courts. Adult mens game with two of the three officials being women. My supervisor and i are watching the game and all three officials are doing a great job.(not that it matters but we are all ncaa DI or DII officials). The team that lost told my supervisor he didn't want any women officials on his games. So, this team is scheduled to play two hours later. We had to do some juggling of officials but we managed to get three women to work his game. 2) I'm working a game and these two women (parents), right out of the shoot started yelling at us. I'm Lead and one the womens son got stuffed. She jumps up in my face and says you got to call a foul. I say one more word out of either of you and you both are gone. She did and i told game management to get them out. The game management guy went to my supervisor and said the two parents feel if they have to leave then they think your official should be replaced. My sup. said no i can't that but i can take all 45 officials and leave. We didn't not have any more problems.

tharbert · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 08, 2002, 01:13pm

I just moved up to Illinois and had a tourney where one of the teams had to walk through the Ref's lounge to get to the locker room. One coach coming through our area paused and said "Tom, I've heard a lot of good things about you on the court and frankly, I don't see them." In one of the rare instances where the right answer comes right to the lips, I replied "Coach, I can honestly say I haven't heard anything good about you!"

Expect some good and bad remarks. Expect them at the wrong time and place. And, just like during a game, if those remarks, in either time, place, or intensity exceed your level of acceptability, pop the the offender with the tools at your disposal - the T, the letter, the schedule...

Also, was "respect" on the mind of that coach when he intruded to give those guys a piece of his mind? I think not. He was blowing steam in an inappropriate manner and I'll wager it wasn't the first time. Someone in the coach's administration needs to know about his behavior. If it's not gonna be that crew, then the next one, or the next.