Huge Gym, Spot inbound play

[mick]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

I know this Mick, and you may know that I know this. But the very simple mechanic that I am just trying to bring to light is in the Officials Manual. Really, that's all I'm trying to point out. Not trying advocate kicking any rules, but honestly I can think of several situations where I've called a live ball back because I didn't do something that I am required to do or because i gave the wrong information, and one of those is at the free throw. If I gave the wrong information, or didn't give any information and the free thrower has the ball (now live) are we saying I can't blow the whistle and get the ball back to give the information or give the right information? Again, the mechanic is written in the manual and we all already use it, the point was to inform those who don't use it or it or didn't know. Maybe I shouldn't have initially wrote it as an absolute that I would re-set the play, because chances are I wouldn't. I know I read somewhere on this site that "there are no absolutes in this racket"...

Good call. The rules and mechanics remain merely dynamic guidelines that sometimes change due to a lack of clarity, or sometimes change due to common useage.

Whenever we knowingly deviate from the guidelines, we should have already decided that we "made it right (for the given situation), but kicked the rule". We have decided to take the heat, if necessary, and we have rationalized that we did the right thing.

We all have different lines (some straight, some bent) with respect to the rules. But it seems more important to make sure we fully understand what the guideline suggests before we deviate from it, based on our knowledge of the written rule, of spirit and intent, and of the level of play.

A few years back, I had a partner [30 years experience, finals ref], administer the ball to the wrong team at 1/2-time and then stop action to give it to the correct team. I was appalled! Was it incorrect? ...YU.P. Was it the end of the world? ...Nope.

[BillyMac]

IAABO Manual (page 40)
E. Throw In Adminstration
1. Administering official shall
a. glance to the table for substitute(s)
b. establish eye contact with partner
c. apply then "boxing in" technique (visual or physical)
d. signal the type of throw in
1. designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "designated spot")
2. endline with no designated spot (use signal to indicate ability to
move along the endline after timeout or unusual delay)
e. put whistle in mouth
f. if following timeout, intermission, or unusual delay, sound whistle,
indicate color and direction
g. raise hand to show "time out" signal
h. hand or bounce ball to thrower
Exception: on all frontcourt endline throwins the ball shall be handed
to the thrower
i. step away from teh thrower and begin throw in count
j. signal to "start the clock" when the ball is legally touched in bounds

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO Manual (page 40)
E. Throw In Adminstration
1. Administering official shall
a. glance to the table for substitute(s)
b. establish eye contact with partner
c. apply then "boxing in" technique (visual or physical)
d. signal the type of throw in
1. designated spot (may use verbiage, if so, "designated spot")
2. endline with no designated spot (use signal to indicate ability to
move along the endline after timeout or unusual delay)
e. put whistle in mouth
f. if following timeout, intermission, or unusual delay, sound whistle,
indicate color and direction
g. raise hand to show "time out" signal
h. hand or bounce ball to thrower
Exception: on all frontcourt endline throwins the ball shall be handed
to the thrower
i. step away from teh thrower and begin throw in count
j. signal to "start the clock" when the ball is legally touched in bounds

Are you allowed to lick your lips at any time during that process?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

No I will not reset in your situation. Now I am going to play Nevada... Can you show me in the manual where we are suppose to count the players prior to the ball becoming live, with the exception of the Jump ball to begin play?

Well, I'm not Nevada, but I once lived there.

2.4.3 Time-outs:
D. Resuming Play
3. The officials shall see that each team has five players on the court.

2.4.4 Intermissions
D. The officials are responsible for counting the players on each team.

Lots of good stuff in this new book

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you allowed to lick your lips at any time during that process?

I passed gas while doing this once. But I did blow it dead and reset the play, for having inserted an unauthorized "mechanic" into the procedure.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Well, I'm not Nevada, but I once lived there.

2.4.3 Time-outs:
D. Resuming Play
3. The officials shall see that each team has five players on the court.

2.4.4 Intermissions
D. The officials are responsible for counting the players on each team.

Lots of good stuff in this new book

I responded with the same two references at about 5:10PM today, but the post doesn't seem to have gone through.

I also included a response to Mick's reference from the 2005-07 manual. I acknowledged earlier in this thread that I do exactly what is stated therein, but have never done anything MORE than that. The instruction in the 07-09 manual is indeed new. FTR the citation says, "Use the proper signal to indicate running the end line privileges are in effect when the clock has been stopped."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I passed gas while doing this once. But I did blow it dead and reset the play, for having inserted an unauthorized "mechanic" into the procedure.

According to the IAABO Manual, the approved IAABO mechanic for "passing gas" is a 6-step process.

Maybe BillyMac can detail it for us also, along with the relevant diagrams.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I passed gas while doing this once. But I did blow it dead and reset the play, for having inserted an unauthorized "mechanic" into the procedure.

Sounds to me like maybe you oughta be reading the instructions for your Fox.

[Scrapper1]

Here's my 2 cents. I visually and verbally indicate "SPOT" or "You can run" on EVERY throw-in. Yes, even sideline, when it's "obvious" that they are on a spot. Having said that, if I forgot to say SPOT and the kid ran, I'm pretty sure I would still call the violation. He should know, even if I forget to remind him.