Tech on Coach situation

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That bullsh!t may work is your state but it wouldn't fly here. Unless you could supply film that showed I had set aside a rule, my assignor would not only ignore your "request," he's likely to send me right back over there very, very soon. And, he would probably be sitting in the stands that night as well. BTW, the state association would back both of us.

Coaches and ADs have no such power here, nor should they anywhere. Such childish threats are foolish and out dated. Boy, talk about somebody on a power trip.

JR, make sure you ask Ms. Martin if it's the KHSAA's stand that pre-game dunks should be ignored. If so, ask her what other rules they have decided to ignore and if in doing so, they have given up their vote on the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee. I'm dying to hear back from her.

PS KSRef - You might want to listen to Brad. He's the administrator of this site.

Glad to hear officials and schedulers are all powerful in your state. I find it amusing that folks like you refuse to believe it's not the same everywhere. You must be east or west coast.

[Nevadaref]

He is the president of his officials' assn in North Carolina. He is one of the best both on this forum and on the court (field too as he is also a top football official.)

BTW I believe that giving the coaches and ADs the power KSRef07 describes compromises the integrity of the game. Officials become more worried about pleasing the coach and the AD than calling the game correctly. It is a sad situation.

Originally Posted by just another ref

You're saying you call 300+ games a year? Or you're saying this is how you supplement your income from your regular job as a logger?

Yes, I call over 300 games per year, 60% varsity HS, 20% subvarsity, the rest HS AAU, USSSA, etc.

Uhh, I just joined this DB about a week or so ago. Just got caught up with some closed minded individuals on this thread. I am retired since the age of 38. Still own/run 4 companies, but really a silent board member.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Before you castigate me and delete my posts, look at the originator that caused the reaction. I have not responded to ANY post with my FIRST post being "snarky". Only when someone used vulgar langauge at me, called me stupid, etc.

15th year thank you. And how long have you been officiating?

I didn't ask how long you have been officiating as a measuring stick -- I asked because you come across on this board as a brand new official who has just heard some information for the first time and was repeating it here. So, I was just curious.

Let me just tell you from my standpoint that I really don't care who started what... If I think a post is inappropriate and goes against the guidelines of the forum I will delete it. Usually I don't do this because I don't have a lot of time to police the forum (the moderators do a great job of this though!) -- but sometime, if I feel the need, I will take care of things myself.

I gave you some advice in a previous post... You are new here -- registered less than two weeks. You might want to settle in a little bit for a while as you seem to have rubbed a lot of long time members the wrong way.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Yes, I call over 300 games per year, 60% varsity HS....

So you call 180 varsity games a year. How long is the season in Kansas?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He is the president of his officials' assn in North Carolina. He is one of the best both on this forum and on the court (field too as he is also a top football official.)

BTW I believe that giving the coaches and ADs the power KSRef07 describes compromises the integrity of the game. Officials become more worried about pleasing the coach and the AD than calling the game correctly. It is a sad situation.

No argument there. If you really boil down the comment and take away the emotion, it's about having a ref who refuses to use the least bit of judgment and what would happen to him in my neck of the woods. The specific example cited are irrelevent.

Great for Brad. A little disappointed he would ask "Is this your first year?" after admonishing me about "snarky posts". I would have asked "How long have you been officiating?" Hope that doesn't translate to his rapport on the court - "hey coach, have you read a rule book?" .

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

No argument there. If you really boil down the comment and take away the emotion, it's about having a ref who refuses to use the least bit of judgment and what would happen to him in my neck of the woods. The specific example cited are irrelevent.

Great for Brad. A little disappointed he would ask "Is this your first year?" after admonishing me about "snarky posts". I would have asked "How long have you been officiating?" Hope that doesn't translate to his rapport on the court - no offense.

He's not talking about me ... I live in Texas. I think he's talking about BktBallRef.

KS -- you really need to tone down your posts. You are defensive to anything that anyone says that doesn't agree with you and your responses are sarcastic and derogatory.

To put it in coach terms: This is your warning.

Post deleted ... And in time out for a few days ... I did give you your official warning.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Yes, I call over 300 games per year, 60% varsity HS, 20% subvarsity, the rest HS AAU, USSSA, etc.

Uhh, I just joined this DB about a week or so ago. Just got caught up with some closed minded individuals on this thread. I am retired since the age of 38. Still own/run 4 companies, but really a silent board member.

180 Varsity high school games a year?

Check.



Retired. Own/run 4 companies. Previous coach.

Check, check, check.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

JR, make sure you ask Ms. Martin if it's the KHSAA's stand that pre-game dunks should be ignored.

That exact question was asked of her, Tony. I also linked this thread to her, so that she has complete knowledge about what is being claimed as standard officiating practice in Kansas.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Glad to hear officials and schedulers are all powerful in your state. I find it amusing that folks like you refuse to believe it's not the same everywhere. You must be east or west coast.

You're really quite full of yourself, aren't you?

No, officials and assignors are not all powerful. But the NCHSAA is. And they do not allow egotistical coaches and power hungry ADs decide who officiates their games.

Further, I have no reason to believe that things are done the same in all states. But I do know that it's absolutely ridiculous for a coach to try to mark an official off because he doesn't like it that a rule is being correctly enforced.

Kudos Brad for giving this "poster" some time off to re-think his posting habits.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

180 Varsity high school games a year?

Check.

Retired. Own/run 4 companies. Previous coach.

Check, check, check.

Yeah, I get this too. Even with a 12 week season (ours is 10), 180 games would yield 15 games/week -- that's better than 2/day.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Yeah, I get this too. Even with a 12 week season (ours is 10), 180 games would yield 15 games/week -- that's better than 2/day.

Yeah, that's the ticket. And when that runs out, you can always fall back on,
ACTING!

[Adam]

I did some quick, basic math.
180 varsity games a year?
It takes a 15 weeks season, working double headers 6 nights a week.
Then, he has to squeeze in the 60 sub varsity games during that same 15 week season.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Yeah, I get this too. Even with a 12 week season (ours is 10), 180 games would yield 15 games/week -- that's better than 2/day.

Don't forget the 60 JV games.

At least 3 high school games a day--7 days a week.

Check.