Tech on Coach situation

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There is nothing wrong IF those are the explicit instructions issued by the state governing body of Kansas. Officials have to follow state directives. We'll find out Monday, won't we?

Now, what is your take on NEVER calling technical fouls for pre-game dunks?

You think Francine has time to deal with what goes on on this DB? I hope she does though.

This is what she will tell you.

Handed out at EVERY rules meeting is the following document. "2007-2008 Basketball Announcements" Published by KSHSAA basketball Administrator, Francine Martin, who puts on the meeting(s).

Page 3 - Coaching Box: "The executive Board has approved the optional six-foot (6') coaching box for the 2007-08 season. Only the HEAD COACH may be off the bench in front of his/her seat within the confines of the designated coaches' box to give instructions to his/her players and/or substitutes. The head coach may:
1) Stand to instruct (coach) then,
2) Sit down
3) Not kneel, squat,pace or stand during a live ball.

Coaches not complying are to be assessed the appropriate penalty of a technical foul. Once either a direct or indirect "T" is assessed, the coach(es) MUST comply with provisions of Rule 10-5-1 and 10-5-2 for the remainder of the game. Officials SHALL file the appropriate report on Loss of Coaching Box privilege Form (2007-08 Blue). The form may also be submitted online by logging into the officials website."

On dunks, Francine will also tell you JUDGMENT IS REQUIRED. But being the HEAD RULES ADMINISTRATOR she will also be bound to tell you to enforce the penalty - a standard answer which we all know does not fly "in real life" in many situations. At a sophomore game and a light dunk, game management will be used. In a varsity game and a rim rattler 1 minute before tipoff and a T will be assessed. THAT is how I rule on that infraction. I ignore / set aside this particular rule if I can. I have seen 3 pregame dunks in the last 10 years and never issued a T.

Yes, if Francine gives you the time of day we will find out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When my AD and I call the assignor and tell him not to schedule Rust at our venue anymore, Rust will not be at our venue anymore. The school is not beholden to the assignor - just the opposite.

This is just funny. Every AD I know, and every assigner I have ever worked for, would rip the coach a new one for b!tching about this.

"Teach your kids not to dunk in pre-game and it won't happen."

It's stupid to make the refs make this kind of decision; it's begging for trouble.

There've been a couple times when players have come close enough to make me have to decide. Both times I went to the coach and told him he might want to have a chat with the player involved.

But if it was a clear dunk, no warning is necessary.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but this whole "you can't T without a warning" crap is getting old.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is just funny. Every AD I know, and every assigner I have ever worked for, would rip the coach a new one for b!tching about this.

"Teach your kids not to dunk in pre-game and it won't happen."

It's stupid to make the refs make this kind of decision; it's begging for trouble.

There've been a couple times when players have come close enough to make me have to decide. Both times I went to the coach and told him he might want to have a chat with the player involved.

But if it was a clear dunk, no warning is necessary.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but this whole "you can't T without a warning" crap is getting old.

NEVER said that. I said JUDGMENT IS REQUIRED. See my post right before this one to JR. And to believe diplomacy, politics, and the good ole boy network among coaches, assignors, and ADs has nothing to do with getting games at the V level, indicates naivety.

[jer166]

Maybe I am missing something by living in California. You guys get $150.00 per game?

Originally Posted by jer166

Maybe I am missing something by living in California. You guys get $150.00 per game?

$65-$75 per V game and there is usually two per night (Boys and Girls).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When my AD and I call the assignor and tell him not to schedule Rust at our venue anymore, Rust will not be at our venue anymore. The school is not beholden to the assignor - just the opposite.

My assignor might just do the same...but he's going to ask why. When you say that you don't like the fact that I called a T for a pregame dunk, the discussion will be over, he's going to tell you to teach the kids not to dunk in pregame....and you just might see me on the road 2-3 more times that you would have had no you not called.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

This is what she will tell you.

I think that I'll wait and find out exactly how she responds to my very specific questions.

I'm funny like that.

You can be assured that I will post her answers also.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

NEVER said that. I said JUDGMENT IS REQUIRED. See my post right before this one to JR. And to believe diplomacy, politics, and the good ole boy network among coaches, assignors, and ADs has nothing to do with getting games at the V level, indicates naivety.

You did say,

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When I was a varsity coach, if you were at my varsity boys game and you called a T on my player with no warning and started the game that way....

Maybe we're mis-reading you, but when combined with this statement

Originally Posted by KSRef07

For instance, I never SEE a pregame dunk.

, it sure looks like your intention is to never make this call regardless of the force applied to the dunk, or whether the opposing coach sees it.

Of course, "never" could simply be an example of hyperbole.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Now, what is your take on NEVER calling technical fouls for pre-game dunks?

In fact, I charged a T for this just last season while working with our assignor!

What does that tell you?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I think that I'll wait and find out exactly how she responds to my very specific questions.

I'm funny like that.

You can be assured that I will post her answers also.

OOOOOOOH!

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You did say,
Maybe we're mis-reading you, but when combined with this statement , it sure looks like your intention is to never make this call regardless of the force applied to the dunk, or whether the opposing coach sees it.

Of course, "never" could simply be an example of hyperbole.

I have clarified since many times.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In fact, I charged a T for this just last season while working with our assignor!

What does that tell you?

It was deserved????

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In fact, I charged a T for this just last season while working with our assignor!

What does that tell you?

Did you warn for it first?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I have clarified since many times.

Ok.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When I was a varsity coach...

This explains everything.