Tech on Coach situation

[bigdog5142]

Had a 8th grade girls game today...partner T's up coach...real jerk of a lady. Anyway...I explain to her that she must sit for the rest of the game as per rule. She goes on to say that I don't know what I'm talking about...I tell her that she can look in the rule book. Anyway...she sits down and instructs her assistant coach to stand up. I was so taken back and couldn't place the rule about bench personnel sitting, so I allowed it. I should've ran the coach later...but I'm getting my "legs" back under me...I'm chalking it up to remembering how to blow my whistle as I've back in officiating after about a 7 year break. How would you handle this one?

Originally Posted by bigdog5142

Had a 8th grade girls game today...partner T's up coach...real jerk of a lady. Anyway...I explain to her that she must sit for the rest of the game as per rule. She goes on to say that I don't know what I'm talking about...I tell her that she can look in the rule book. Anyway...she sits down and instructs her assistant coach to stand up. I was so taken back and couldn't place the rule about bench personnel sitting, so I allowed it. I should've ran the coach later...but I'm getting my "legs" back under me...I'm chalking it up to remembering how to blow my whistle as I've back in officiating after about a 7 year break. How would you handle this one?

The only person who can stand is the head coach. And he/she can only stand to "instruct players", then must sit. While most are lenient on this rule, if the head coach starts chirping I warn him that he can only stand to instruct players then must sit. If it becomes a problem, T him/her up. All coaching box privileges lost.

Under NO circumstances can an assistant coach stand. After what you described, I would issue a bench technical on the assistant which is also an indirect on the head coach. Normally, if I see an assistant stand or address me or my call, I immediately warn the head coach and ANY further infraction is a T.

It is not your job to explain the rules to the head coach. He has a rules book just like you and is required to attend the state rules meeting(s).

Rec ball / noncompetitive might require different tact.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

The only person who can stand is the head coach. And he/she can only stand to "instruct players", then must sit. While most are lenient on this rule, if the head coach starts chirping I warn him that he can only stand to instruct players then must sit. If it becomes a problem, T him/her up. All coaching box privileges lost.

Where may I find this in the rule book?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Where may I find this in the rule book?

10.5.1: "...for the purpose of coaching his team." Standing silent is not coaching. Kneeling and watching the play is not coaching (and it's dangerous for the refs). Yelling at me is not coaching.

case 10.5.1.E: last sentence. "...if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching box privileges."

Furthermore, The Kansas State HS Activities Association announcements publication states "The head coach may: 1) Stand to instruct (coach) then, 2) sit down, 3) not kneel, squat, pace, or stand during a live ball."

Again, there is some leniency, but if the rule was intended that the head coach could remain standing the entire game, the rule would state, "While in the confines of the coaching box, the head coach may remain standing during all live ball situations." It doesn't. It states "for the purpose of coaching".

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

10.5.1: "...for the purpose of coaching his team." Standing silent is not coaching. Kneeling and watching the play is not coaching (and it's dangerous for the refs). Yelling at me is not coaching.

case 10.5.1.E: last sentence. "...if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching box privileges."

Furthermore, The Kansas State HS Activities Association announcements publication states "The head coach may: 1) Stand to instruct (coach) then, 2) sit down, 3) not kneel, squat, pace, or stand during a live ball."

Again, there is some leniency, but if the rule was intended that the head coach could remain standing the entire game, the rule would state, "While in the confines of the coaching box, the head coach may remain standing during all live ball situations." It doesn't. It states "for the purpose of coaching".

Are you serious? You'd actually "T"up a coach for just standing in his box, watching play and not saying a thing?

Lah me......you're making up your own rules.....again.

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you serious? You'd actually "T"up a coach for just standing in his box, watching play and not saying a thing?

Lah me......you're making up your own rules.....again.

Good luck with that.

No I would not. Read that I said we are very lenient. Don't be selective in your reading. I just told you what the "letter of the law was", as you asked.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Furthermore, The Kansas State HS Activities Association announcements publication states "The head coach may: 1) Stand to instruct (coach) then, 2) sit down, 3) not kneel, squat, pace, or stand during a live ball."

You guys in Kansas have it too easy...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

10.5.1: "...for the purpose of coaching his team." Standing silent is not coaching. Kneeling and watching the play is not coaching

What if the coach is silently watching how the other team's defense reacts to screens, in order to figure which play to call next trip down the floor? What if he quietly watching which sub comes in, so he can figure how to set up his defense?

Are you saying that, by virtue of being silent, a coach is not coaching?

How does a coach, kneeling in his box, pose a threat to an official?

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

What if the coach is silently watching how the other team's defense reacts to screens, in order to figure which play to call next trip down the floor? What if he quietly watching which sub comes in, so he can figure how to set up his defense?

Are you saying that, by virtue of being silent, a coach is not coaching?

How does a coach, kneeling in his box, pose a threat to an official?

Again, leniency. I am only saying - use it as a tool to control a coach. However, he is not "coaching his PLAYERS" by silently watching and misses the intent of the rule. "Coaching is the process of inspiring, encouraging, motivating, and instructing." It is active. I ref deaf schools and they coach silently - not the same thing as standing with arms folded.

Next time you run a 3-man and you are the Center running up the sideline near OOB where you should be, with a coach kneeling at the sideline, you'll figure it out.

[brandan89]

I personally dont see where that would be considered dangerious, but thats just me. Im also not to sure that I would MAKE him stand if he was kneeling??

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Under NO circumstances can an assistant coach stand.

Can the assistant coach stand to spontaneously react to an outstanding play, and then return immediately to his seat?

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Can the assistant coach stand to spontaneously react to an outstanding play, and then return immediately to his seat?

yes. When I said under no circumstance, I meant it in the context of coaching players.