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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 01:03pm
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Yesterday I was officiating a house league game I believe the ages of the boys were 13-14 or so. During the entire game every call that was called against this coaches team he wanted an explination; no matter if it was a traveling, carrying, 5 sec closely guarded. He basicly demanded (at first nicely) an explanation. During the second half he got louder about the need for an explination during the play. About half way thru the 4th, I am the trail, and I call a charge on his center, A1 did an inside spin move on his defender, B1, that anticipated the spin of A1. A1 hit B1 with his shoulder and B1 hit the floor. As contact was made I called Charging. The coach went nuts and yelled how are you going to call that just because there was contact. I turned to the coach and T'ed him. After B4 shoot the two free throws, I went to administer the throw-in from the sidezone (where the play became dead). As I about to hand the Ball to B2, A's coach is standing up. I instruct the coach that since he got a Technical he had to sit down. He then stared right at me and Mouthed "F YOU." I gave him his second T and instructed him he had to leave the gym.

I feel I did the correct thing, knowing he directed it at me. My question to the board is, do you T a coach for mouthing (not speaking) an obsinety?
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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 01:10pm
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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 01:23pm
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Most definitely, he has earned it.
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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 01:35pm
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Absolutely! He needed to go. Was he respectful with his questions the rest of the game? If not, maybe you needed to get him his first earlier? I wasn't there so I don't know, but just a little food for thought.
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Didn't stop there.

After the game he came back into the gym to collect his things (ie Girlfriend). She took over as the coach. She tried to substitue a player that had fouled out. What really got me was as he re entered the gym he stared me down and then proceeded to talk to the coach of the next game and told him that he had to watch out for me cause I didn't know what I was doing and I T'ed him for nothing.

That game (Game 4 for the day) went real smooth with both coaches.
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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 01:37pm
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Absolutely! He needed to go. Was he respectful with his questions the rest of the game? If not, maybe you needed to get him his first earlier? I wasn't there so I don't know, but just a little food for thought.
Up until the charge foul that gave his Center his 4th, he was not respectful, but not over the line.
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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 01:49pm
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Re: Didn't stop there.

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. What really got me was as he re entered the gym he stared me down and then proceeded to talk to the coach of the next game and told him that he had to watch out for me cause I didn't know what I was doing and I T'ed him for nothing.

That game (Game 4 for the day) went real smooth with both coaches.
Make sure you talk to the game management person on this one. One of the reasons I work very few leagues other than our actual state athletic association games is there is often no accountablilty for the coaches. If game management is not going to talk to the coach, talk to the league coordinator. If they don't back you up, don't schedule with them again and if it were me, I'd let any other officials I work with know how well they back up their officials. Hopefully the coach following him realized what a well informed coach the tossed guy was.
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You let this clown get away with entirely too much. You should have taken care of him the second time he came out asking for an explanation - "I'm not here to give a clinic coach, talk to the league director about getting a rule book" and walk away. Next time he asks for an explanation tell him he's distracting you from the game and the next time you'll T him up. Then do it. Or, take the direct aproach & T him right off the bat. But whatever you do, do not let a coach question you for 4 quarters. Ever.

As for getting stared down, the easiest way to handle that crap is to just disappear. If there's a dressing room go there. If not simply turn around & do not acknowledge him. Most cell phones these days have video cameras in them. During an AAU game 2 or 3 yrs ago a coach was getting loud with me. I went to my bag & got my cell phone, opened it up & started the video camera. When he asked what I was doing I played it back for him.

That shut him up.
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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 02:29pm
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Rememeber, it was his actions that got him ejected, not yours. If he comes back into the gym after the game and it is for any reason other than to apologize, the league needs to be notified and deal with him. Good luck.
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Old Mon Jan 23, 2006, 02:49pm
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Most cell phones these days have video cameras in them. During an AAU game 2 or 3 yrs ago a coach was getting loud with me. I went to my bag & got my cell phone, opened it up & started the video camera. When he asked what I was doing I played it back for him.

That shut him up.
Just a reminder to those who officiate in Michigan: Do not EVER take that cell phone with video/picture capability into a school locker room. It is illegal. It's not illegal to have it in the public gym like where Dan_ref was using it, but I'd still be careful about taking any kind of pictures where young people are present....

As for this game situation, I agree with the suggestion - the gracious suggestion, we've all been there - that this coach needed to be dealt with earlier. Regardless of whether or not that was done, you have to give the coach the T he earned by mouthing profanity at you.
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Most cell phones these days have video cameras in them. During an AAU game 2 or 3 yrs ago a coach was getting loud with me. I went to my bag & got my cell phone, opened it up & started the video camera. When he asked what I was doing I played it back for him.

That shut him up.
Just a reminder to those who officiate in Michigan: Do not EVER take that cell phone with video/picture capability into a school locker room. It is illegal. It's not illegal to have it in the public gym like where Dan_ref was using it, but I'd still be careful about taking any kind of pictures where young people are present....

Good point, thanks.
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Most cell phones these days have video cameras in them. During an AAU game 2 or 3 yrs ago a coach was getting loud with me. I went to my bag & got my cell phone, opened it up & started the video camera. When he asked what I was doing I played it back for him.

That shut him up.
Just a reminder to those who officiate in Michigan: Do not EVER take that cell phone with video/picture capability into a school locker room. It is illegal. It's not illegal to have it in the public gym like where Dan_ref was using it, but I'd still be careful about taking any kind of pictures where young people are present....

As for this game situation, I agree with the suggestion - the gracious suggestion, we've all been there - that this coach needed to be dealt with earlier. Regardless of whether or not that was done, you have to give the coach the T he earned by mouthing profanity at you.
Is it illegal to have the cell phone in your bag and carry your bag into the locker room with you? What do you do with your cell when you are changing?
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Most cell phones these days have video cameras in them. During an AAU game 2 or 3 yrs ago a coach was getting loud with me. I went to my bag & got my cell phone, opened it up & started the video camera. When he asked what I was doing I played it back for him.

That shut him up.
Just a reminder to those who officiate in Michigan: Do not EVER take that cell phone with video/picture capability into a school locker room. It is illegal. It's not illegal to have it in the public gym like where Dan_ref was using it, but I'd still be careful about taking any kind of pictures where young people are present....

As for this game situation, I agree with the suggestion - the gracious suggestion, we've all been there - that this coach needed to be dealt with earlier. Regardless of whether or not that was done, you have to give the coach the T he earned by mouthing profanity at you.
Is it illegal to have the cell phone in your bag and carry your bag into the locker room with you? What do you do with your cell when you are changing?
I leave mine in the car. There is one guy in my circuit who is on the phone for pre-game, halftime and postgame. You don't need it.
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My question to the board is, do you T a coach for mouthing (not speaking) an obsinety?
I would not T him for that: I flagrant T him.
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My question to the board is, do you T a coach for mouthing (not speaking) an obsinety?
I would not T him for that: I flagrant T him.
Amen!

BTW, here's a handy little forumula I use to evaluate situations like the one you're in.

If n is the number of explanations asked for and gotten, then n - 2 of them should not have happened.
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