Tech on Coach situation

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kbilla

certain people believe that their interpretations are the only ones that matter in every state (even those they have never worked)......

Let me share something with both of you......

It's not "our" interpretations. It's the NFHS and NCAA's interpretations. We just cite those NFHS and NCAA interpretations. We also cite their recommended mechanics. If someone wants to pull a hissy-fit because someone else showed them that they were completely WRONG according to what is plainly written in the rules, case or mechanics book, too damn bad. It's the same for everybody on this forum, and that includes myself. If you're going to post utter nonsense, you will hear about it.

If a rule is unique to one state only, then post that as such. Don't try to say that what is written in the rule book is wrong because their state has an exception.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's the NFHS and NCAA's interpretations. We just cite those NFHS and NCAA interpretations. We also cite their recommended mechanics.

Mean ol' Jurassic.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Let me share something with both of you......

It's not "our" interpretations. It's the NFHS and NCAA's interpretations. We just cite those NFHS and NCAA interpretations. We also cite their recommended mechanics. If someone wants to pull a hissy-fit because someone else showed them that they were completely WRONG according to what is plainly written in the rules, case or mechanics book, too damn bad. It's the same for everybody on this forum, and that includes myself. If you're going to post utter nonsense, you will hear about it.

If a rule is unique to one state only, then post that as such. Don't try to say that what is written in the rule book is wrong because their state has an exception.

Ok JR, educate me. Show me where the NFHS explicitly states a head coach may stand the entire game (barring a T) when remaining perfectly silent and not uttering word or moving. It states he may only stand "for the purpose of coaching his/her team". Now if you think standing = kneeling, or standing = sitting on the floor, then we agree to disagree. If you think "coaching his team" is standing like a statue for 8 minutes without uttering a word, then we disagree on that as well.

Ask your self why would the NFHS put qualitative language in the rule like "for the purpose of coaching his team" if they meant to allow him to stand 32 minutes? What other purpose would a head coach have to stand in the box according to you - if EVERYTHING he does is "coaching"?

Hmmmmmm. Before you state someone is wrong, or his state is the only one clarifying the rule, show definitive proof. Have a nice day.

[Ref in PA]

I will tell you that PA does not interpret the coaching box activity the same as Kansas. Here, coaches are permitted to stand in the box as long as they want, observing the play on the court. As long as they stay in their box and are not chirping at the refs, they are okay. If they begin to stray or attempt to influence any calls by a ref, they will be seated via a "T".

And this dude is not OS, because we don't "hate" him yet.

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

I will tell you that PA does not interpret the coaching box activity the same as Kansas. Here, coaches are permitted to stand in the box as long as they want, observing the play on the court. As long as they stay in their box and are not chirping at the refs, they are okay. If they begin to stray or attempt to influence any calls by a ref, they will be seated via a "T".

And this dude is not OS, because we don't "hate" him yet.

Hate is such a nasty word...

I don't dislike anyone on here yet either, so I guess the feeling is mutual.

[Scrapper1]

It sounds to me as though you are interpreting the Kansas bench rule correctly, from the passage that you quoted. Personally, I kind of like it. But it's not the NFHS interpretation, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Hate is such a nasty word...

That comment was in quotes (we don't "hate" him yet), because the previous poster used to say very often "why do you have to be hating on me", or some variation of that. Since you have not resorted to accusing us of hate, you don't seem to be that previous annoying poster. Just FYI.

[rockyroad]

If the posted info is the correct Kansas interpretation (and I have no reason to think it isn't) then why does Kansas even have a Coaching box??? The things they are saying a coach may do are the exact things that a coach is allowed to do in states that do not allow a coaching box...the coach can stand to cheer a play, coach the team, greet a player coming out of the game, grab a player to put into the game - and then must immediately sit back down. So why have a coaching box at all?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the posted info is the correct Kansas interpretation (and I have no reason to think it isn't) then why does Kansas even have a Coaching box??? The things they are saying a coach may do are the exact things that a coach is allowed to do in states that do not allow a coaching box...the coach can stand to cheer a play, coach the team, greet a player coming out of the game, grab a player to put into the game - and then must immediately sit back down. So why have a coaching box at all?

"coach a team" is not one of the allowed actions without a coaching box.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

If the posted info is the correct Kansas interpretation (and I have no reason to think it isn't) then why does Kansas even have a Coaching box??? The things they are saying a coach may do are the exact things that a coach is allowed to do in states that do not allow a coaching box...the coach can stand to cheer a play, coach the team, greet a player coming out of the game, grab a player to put into the game - and then must immediately sit back down. So why have a coaching box at all?

Not really. If there is no coaching box the coach cannot stand to coach the team. Only to spontaneously react to a play.

The coaching box allows the coach more latitude - to actively direct players.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Ok JR, educate me. Show me where the NFHS explicitly states a head coach may stand the entire game (barring a T) when remaining perfectly silent and not uttering word or moving. It states he may only stand "for the purpose of coaching his/her team".

Only in Kansas do they so narrowly define coaching as requiring some sort of verbal or physical activity. "Coaching" would also include watching the play; but I guess in Kansas, this part of coaching must be done while seated.

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Ask your self why would the NFHS put qualitative language in the rule like "for the purpose of coaching his team" if they meant to allow him to stand 32 minutes? What other purpose would a head coach have to stand in the box according to you - if EVERYTHING he does is "coaching"?

This is so easy it hardly bears stating.... But...
It's meant to let the coaches know they are allowed to stand to coach, not to stand up and work the officials.

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Hmmmmmm. Before you state someone is wrong, or his state is the only one clarifying the rule, show definitive proof.

I'd say the burden of proof falls on you to show there's more than one state that defines "coach" so narrowly.