Tech on Coach situation

[Adam]

It's okay, guys. Apparently, in Kansas, they don't really want those pregame dunks called. After all, there's no advantage. (Let's not go into the potential advantages dunking might provide with crowd incitement, intimidation, etc.)

I, for one, know that if it happens in my games here in Colorado and I don't call the technical, I'll be having an unpleasant discussion with my assigner. No thanks.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When I was a varsity coach, if you were at my varsity boys game and you called a T on my player with no warning and started the game that way, my AD and I would make sure you NEVER reffed another one of my games again.

So......if before a game one of your players were to go up to an opponent and punch him in the face, and the official started the game with a T instead of letting your kid off with a warning, you would impose this penalty on him? Yeah - that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So......if before a game one of your players were to go up to an opponent and punch him in the face, and the official started the game with a T instead of letting your kid off with a warning, you would impose this penalty on him? Yeah - that makes sense.

Oh please....

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's okay, guys. Apparently, in Kansas, they don't really want those pregame dunks called. After all, there's no advantage. (Let's not go into the potential advantages dunking might provide with crowd incitement, intimidation, etc.)

I, for one, know that if it happens in my games here in Colorado and I don't call the technical, I'll be having an unpleasant discussion with my assigner. No thanks.

Don't know what "they" want. Like one poster commented, a rim shaking dunk is one thing, a flip dunk is another. You "hear" it, they remind them to "stay off the rim".

To bad several of you refuse to embrace the concept of:

JUDGMENT

Yeah, BTW, it really intimidates the other team who has 10 guys who can dunk as welll... sheesh. And, I've really seen crowds go nuts 15 minutes before the game when a player dunks casually.....double sheesh.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Great. We are in mutual bliss. I get a more diplomatic ref and you lose $150 per night x 20+ nights (because my varsity coaching buddies and I talk...).

That just might be effective if it is an area that is still on the stone ages where the school contract the officials directly. Anywhere that has advanced to the modern are and is using assignors will likely not have that problem. No assignor worth anything will ever question calling a T for a pre-game dunk. Without the conflict of interest, the officials are free to call the game instead of worrying if the coach might not like the call.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

By the way, Francine's email address directly is [email protected]. I want to make sure your email gets to the right person. And I expect an apology when you get her answer.

Francine has received my follow-up e-mail. I await her response on (1) coaches not being allowed to quietly stand within their coaching box, under penalty of a technical foul for doing so, and (2) warning players who dunk in pre-game warmups in lieu of issuing technical fouls.

I certainly will share her response with everyone when received.

Btw, I also gave her a link to this thread, so that she would have a complete overview of why I was asking.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When I was a varsity coach, if you were at my varsity boys game and you called a T on my player with no warning and started the game that way, my AD and I would make sure you NEVER reffed another one of my games again.

Clear enough?

Very clear. And I certainly hope that Scrappy, who rallied to your defense earlier, has read your philosophy stated above. Also btw, that has been pointed out to Ms. Martin too to see if that is also standard practice by coaches in Kansas.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I told you I "hear" it and address it. Even though I addressed it I have "set aside" the rule, which is a T. This equals IGNORING THE RULE and equals using judgement. They are not mutually exclusive attributes. duh.

Yoohoo, Scrappy....

Is that clear enough for you now?

[Jurassic Referee]

I just received an automated e-mail response from Ms. Martin, saying that she is out of the office until Monday, Oct.29 and to deal with her assistant, Shelly Somethingorother if it's urgent. It ain't. I'll wait for Monday to see how Ms. Martin responds. We can then get it from the horse's mouth.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Great. We are in mutual bliss. I get a more diplomatic ref and you lose $150 per night x 20+ nights (because my varsity coaching buddies and I talk...).

No, actually you get a butt-kisser who is more worried about his "20+ nights" than he is about calling the game correctly...my schedule isn't affected in the least cause you and your "varsity buddies" don't have much say over the games I work...but that's ok. You keep ignoring things and calling it judgement and you'll get those "20+" games that I wouldn't touch anyway.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When I was a varsity coach, if you were at my varsity boys game and you called a T on my player with no warning and started the game that way, my AD and I would make sure you NEVER reffed another one of my games again.

Clear enough?

Sounds like a great way to get refs who are afraid to make calls; especially against the home teams.

No wonder you're scared of coaches.

[Nevadaref]

In my opinion, if Kansas wishes to limit their coaching box privilege by saying that head coaches may only stand when giving instructions to their teams, why is that a big deal? I don't see anything wrong with the state imposing that restriction. It might make the conduct better and thus the game better.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In my opinion, if Kansas wishes to limit their coaching box privilege by saying that head coaches may only stand when giving instructions to their teams, why is that a big deal? I don't see anything wrong with the state imposing that restriction. It might make the conduct better and thus the game better.

There is nothing wrong IF those are the explicit instructions issued by the state governing body of Kansas. Officials have to follow state directives. We'll find out Monday, won't we?

Now, what is your take on NEVER calling technical fouls for pre-game dunks?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That just might be effective if it is an area that is still on the stone ages where the school contract the officials directly. Anywhere that has advanced to the modern are and is using assignors will likely not have that problem. No assignor worth anything will ever question calling a T for a pre-game dunk. Without the conflict of interest, the officials are free to call the game instead of worrying if the coach might not like the call.

When my AD and I call the assignor and tell him not to schedule Rust at our venue anymore, Rust will not be at our venue anymore. The school is not beholden to the assignor - just the opposite.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sounds like a great way to get refs who are afraid to make calls; especially against the home teams.

No wonder you're scared of coaches.

I'm scared of coaches? I AM a coach (once a coach always a coach) and an official.