Jump Stop Travel

Good feedback. So, if I read this right...

A1 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as her right foot is on the floor she grabs the ball and leaps for a jump stop. After she lands - no pivot allowed? Correct?

A2 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as the ball is coming up she leaps off her right foot and she grabs the ball with both hands in the air and lands in a jump stop. After she lands - pivot allowed? Correct?

If correct, those are some mighty fine hairs to split.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

A1 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as her right foot is on the floor she grabs the ball and leaps for a jump stop. After she lands - no pivot allowed? Correct?

Correct.

A2 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as the ball is coming up she leaps off her right foot and she grabs the ball with both hands in the air and lands in a jump stop. After she lands - pivot allowed? Correct?

Correct.

If correct, those are some mighty fine hairs to split.

Correct.

That's one of the things that makes traveling such a hard call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Good feedback. So, if I read this right...

A1 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as her right foot is on the floor she grabs the ball and leaps for a jump stop. After she lands - no pivot allowed? Correct?

Correct as long as the right foot is the foot she jumped off of.

Originally Posted by KSRef07

A2 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as the ball is coming up she leaps off her right foot and she grabs the ball with both hands in the air and lands in a jump stop. After she lands - pivot allowed? Correct?

If correct, those are some mighty fine hairs to split.

This is correct but this would not be considered a jump stop (in my opinion) because the dribbler did not have ball when they leaped. Actually the dribble stopped while the player was in the air from my understanding. The first foot that comes back to the floor, would be the pivot foot.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The first foot that comes back to the floor, would be the pivot foot.

But if they land at the same time, either could be the pivot, correct?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by PYRef

But if they land at the same time, either could be the pivot, correct?

Yes, if it is not considered a jump stop.

Peace

[Splute]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Good feedback. So, if I read this right...

A1 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as her right foot is on the floor she grabs the ball and leaps for a jump stop. After she lands - no pivot allowed? Correct?

A2 is driving to the basket. She dribbles one last time and as the ball is coming up she leaps off her right foot and she grabs the ball with both hands in the air and lands in a jump stop. After she lands - pivot allowed? Correct?

If correct, those are some mighty fine hairs to split.

We consider the same thing when the player is going in for a layup. He/she is allowed 1.5 steps. Meaning the ball is on the way up on the first step (half step), grasp and one more step, then layup. Many think that players get two steps on layups, especially fans. It seems like that have taken two steps when in fact on the first step the ball was still on its way up from the floor. In this case (your op) the next step is actully the double foot landing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Splute

We consider the same thing when the player is going in for a layup. He/she is allowed 1.5 steps.

IMO, you'd be far better off by removing that "1.5 steps" (or 2 steps, etc.) from your officiating vocabulary. Instead, concentrate on "allowed movement of the pivot foot" and whether the player's movements are in excess of that.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, you'd be far better off by removing that "1.5 steps" (or 2 steps, etc.) from your officiating vocabulary. Instead, concentrate on "allowed movement of the pivot foot" and whether the player's movements are in excess of that.

Good point. I can do that. Thanks.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Splute

We consider the same thing when the player is going in for a layup. He/she is allowed 1.5 steps. Meaning the ball is on the way up on the first step (half step), grasp and one more step, then layup. Many think that players get two steps on layups, especially fans. It seems like that have taken two steps when in fact on the first step the ball was still on its way up from the floor. In this case (your op) the next step is actully the double foot landing.

Going by the number of steps is misleading (especially when you give a half step to something that, by definition, it quantized).

Just concentrate on what constitutes a pivot foot, and what a player can or cannot do with that pivot foot. You may still have trouble seeing these plays correctly, but when you see them, you'll know what to call and why you're calling it.

Good feedback gentlemen.

I suspect when driving to the basket, most players push the ball to the floor for that last dribble, push off of their right foot (example) as they are touching the ball with their right hand (example) as it comes back up and they go airborne, then actually secure the ball with both hands while in the air, then come down for a jump stop - then usually a bank layup.

Therefore, from what I am hearing, after the jump stop they would be able to pivot. So the "safe" call to make if in doubt would be "no call".

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Good feedback gentlemen.

I suspect when driving to the basket, most players push the ball to the floor for that last dribble, push off of their right foot (example) as they are touching the ball with their right hand (example) as it comes back up and they go airborne, then actually secure the ball with both hands while in the air, then come down for a jump stop - then usually a bank layup.

Therefore, from what I am hearing, after the jump stop they would be able to pivot. So the "safe" call to make if in doubt would be "no call".

You're exactly right, but we still miss that alot, especially when they gather late and do a one, two step to the hole which is not illegal because of the pivot foot being established followed by the lifting of the pivot foot to jump off of the non-pivot foot to lay the ball in. Looks weird but is a legal play. This play happens alot in the pro game and yet almost everyone thinks they don't call it a travel when, in fact, it is a totally legal play at every level of basketball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

So the "safe" call to make if in doubt would be "no call".

I think that's "always" true. Far better to miss something that happens than to call something that didn't.

[kerpal]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Going by the number of steps is misleading (especially when you give a half step to something that, by definition, it quantized).

Just concentrate on what constitutes a pivot foot, and what a player can or cannot do with that pivot foot. You may still have trouble seeing these plays correctly, but when you see them, you'll know what to call and why you're calling it.

This is a tough one to call...