Jump Stop Travel

[Splute]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IMO, you'd be far better off by removing that "1.5 steps" (or 2 steps, etc.) from your officiating vocabulary. Instead, concentrate on "allowed movement of the pivot foot" and whether the player's movements are in excess of that.

Good point. I can do that. Thanks.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Splute

We consider the same thing when the player is going in for a layup. He/she is allowed 1.5 steps. Meaning the ball is on the way up on the first step (half step), grasp and one more step, then layup. Many think that players get two steps on layups, especially fans. It seems like that have taken two steps when in fact on the first step the ball was still on its way up from the floor. In this case (your op) the next step is actully the double foot landing.

Going by the number of steps is misleading (especially when you give a half step to something that, by definition, it quantized).

Just concentrate on what constitutes a pivot foot, and what a player can or cannot do with that pivot foot. You may still have trouble seeing these plays correctly, but when you see them, you'll know what to call and why you're calling it.

Good feedback gentlemen.

I suspect when driving to the basket, most players push the ball to the floor for that last dribble, push off of their right foot (example) as they are touching the ball with their right hand (example) as it comes back up and they go airborne, then actually secure the ball with both hands while in the air, then come down for a jump stop - then usually a bank layup.

Therefore, from what I am hearing, after the jump stop they would be able to pivot. So the "safe" call to make if in doubt would be "no call".

[kerpal]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Going by the number of steps is misleading (especially when you give a half step to something that, by definition, it quantized).

Just concentrate on what constitutes a pivot foot, and what a player can or cannot do with that pivot foot. You may still have trouble seeing these plays correctly, but when you see them, you'll know what to call and why you're calling it.

This is a tough one to call...

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Good feedback gentlemen.

I suspect when driving to the basket, most players push the ball to the floor for that last dribble, push off of their right foot (example) as they are touching the ball with their right hand (example) as it comes back up and they go airborne, then actually secure the ball with both hands while in the air, then come down for a jump stop - then usually a bank layup.

Therefore, from what I am hearing, after the jump stop they would be able to pivot. So the "safe" call to make if in doubt would be "no call".

You're exactly right, but we still miss that alot, especially when they gather late and do a one, two step to the hole which is not illegal because of the pivot foot being established followed by the lifting of the pivot foot to jump off of the non-pivot foot to lay the ball in. Looks weird but is a legal play. This play happens alot in the pro game and yet almost everyone thinks they don't call it a travel when, in fact, it is a totally legal play at every level of basketball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

So the "safe" call to make if in doubt would be "no call".

I think that's "always" true. Far better to miss something that happens than to call something that didn't.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

KS - the term "jump stop" is often thrown around with several different meanings.

If the girl picked up her dribble, hopped on one foot, then came down on both feet - any movement of either foot here would be a travel.

If she hopped on one foot while still dribbling, then picked up her dribble and then came down on both feet, she can pick one foot to be her pivot foot.

Wouldn't the obvious acception be if she jumped to shoot.... right??...

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

Wouldn't the obvious acception be if she jumped to shoot.... right??...

Good call. I just assumed that was understood.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Good call. I just assumed that was understood.

Not trying to show you up, just trying to learn.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

Wouldn't the obvious acception be if she jumped to shoot.... right??...

"Jumped" <> "Movement". Movement is placing the foot on the court at a different location (usually picking it up and placing it down, but it could be by sliding the foot).