Flop / No contact / travel

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

IMO, at that point in the game, with a twenty point spread - I'm calling a turnover for travelling, getting the ball back in play and moving on. A technical for that call would be a game interrupter. With the score out of hand and time expiring - I'm trying to protect kids from being injured and getting the clock moving. Neither coach wants to keep this one going either - time to get out of Dodge.

Agreed, easy traveling call to make. Forget the score ( although it helps here), if a player goes up to shoot and doesn't and comes down with the ball, he just travel.

With that being said, there's nothing wrong with being smart. You're up by 20, why risk getting injured. All the player had to do was toss the ball towards the basket and play continues, then, I would have nothing, no whistle. I talked about this at great length in another thread about block charge calls and what coaches are teaching. I did not realized until engaging this topic that it is such a big philosophy issue in how this game is to be played and coached.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Agreed, easy traveling call to make. Forget the score ( although it helps here), if a player goes up to shoot and doesn't and comes down with the ball, he just travel.

With that being said, there's nothing wrong with being smart. You're up by 20, why risk getting injured. All the player had to do was toss the ball towards the basket and play continues, then, I would have nothing, no whistle. I talked about this at great length in another thread about block charge calls and what coaches are teaching. I did not realized until engaging this topic that it is such a big philosophy issue in how this game is to be played and coached.

Aside from the fact that the would-be-shooter was actually down by 20....
Also, how do you not know how much coaches are teaching the skill of drawing a charge? Oh, wait, never mind....

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Aside from the fact that the would-be-shooter was actually down by 20....

Good point Snaqs, so the shooter was the team down in the game, doesn't change the fact though. He still traveled. You still have to judge the play and there was no contact on the play. The shooter choice not to shoot.

Now, if A1 would have shot, missed, and came down on the guy. I could call a block on B2 who's now on the floor, but A1 got to shoot the ball. If he doesn't, my hands are tied, I can't make up stuff.

Now here's where I'm going to contradict myself. In college men's, B2 flops and falls to the floor untouched, however, he gives this loud, OOOHHHH!!!!! That will be a technical foul or a block, each and everytime he does that. The reason, he's trying to show me up by getting me to make a call in his favor even if there was no contact. Players like that bring BS to your game. He needs to be addressed. What I will do is try to get him out the game asap. When he flops and the degree of contact was not as significant as he's making it out to be. Block on him everytime until he stops that BS.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Good point Snaqs, so the shooter was the team down in the game, doesn't change the fact though. He still traveled. You still have to judge the play and there was no contact on the play. The shooter choice not to shoot.

Yes, the shooter "chose" not to shoot. Travel is the right call.

Originally Posted by Old School

Now, if A1 would have shot, missed, and came down on the guy. I could call a block on B2 who's now on the floor, but A1 got to shoot the ball.

This goes completely against the rules. See Nevada's previous post in this thread for the reason. B2 is allowed this spot on the floor. Disagree with the rule if you like, but enforce it correctly.

Originally Posted by Old School

If he doesn't, my hands are tied, I can't make up stuff.

And yet....

Originally Posted by Old School

Now here's where I'm going to contradict myself. In college men's, B2 flops and falls to the floor untouched, however, he gives this loud, OOOHHHH!!!!! That will be a technical foul or a block, each and everytime he does that.

Why only NCAA? This is a technical foul at any level, as far as I know.

Originally Posted by V.I.

What I will do is try to get him out the game asap.

And tell me, All Powerful One, how are you going to "get him out of the game asap?"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Okay, ole smart one, I will argue that he flopped, therefore, he does not have LGP. How do you like that? So, after the shooter shoots, and lands on him, beep, block, after the shot.

By rule, if you deem it a flop, you need to call the technical foul. If you honestly think he was trying to absorb contact and fell in the process, you can't "honestly" call him for a block. It would take a serious lack of integrity for an official to do that, so I'm sure you wouldn't really do it.

Originally Posted by Old School

I will give you a clue, you only get 5 fouls. Use them wisely as the wise man said.....

Gee, if I didn't know better, taken in context, this statement seems to imply you'd call fouls just to get a player out of the game.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Gee, if I didn't know better, taken in context, this statement seems to imply you'd call fouls just to get a player out of the game.

If he's not playing basketball.....got to go!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

If he's not playing basketball.....got to go!

You need no longer wonder why your integrity as an "official" gets questioned on this board.