Block/Charge?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

It is not safe to run underneath a player who can not see you coming, in any forum of basketball, even though by NFHS rule it is legal.

That again ties with the dumbest statement ever made on this forum.

Can you point me at the NFHS rule that says that it is legal to run under an airborne player?

Btw, the offensive player with the ball in the video isn't airborne when the contact occurs. Don't let that little fact disturb your analysis of the play.

Stupid monkey.......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I realize that we're not going to get Old School's account pulled. So how about if I'm deputized as a moderator only for purposes of deleting his posts? Plus, I'll delete the porn spam from the General Forum (after forwarding any pictures to Jurassic, of course).

Maddening, ain't it?

Who else can turn any rules discussion into a trainwreck quicker than our beloved JMO of McGriffs fame, the king of the trolls?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So how about if I'm deputized as a moderator only for purposes of deleting his posts?

Careful, you only get one bullet.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Plus, I'll delete the porn spam from the General Forum (after forwarding any pictures to Jurassic, of course).

If you forward them to me as well, I'll consider voting you into the clique.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just had to say something. The rules are in place for a reason. Basketball is a contact sport. Safety is not a factor unless the rules spell it out. You cannot just make it up because you have a personal issue with safety. If the players want to be safe, play chess. This is a contact sport where people are trying to prevent movement. Next then you will tell us that you will call an illegal screen on a player because no one told the screener that a screen was coming. After all you have to maintain safety for a legal play because there is a possibility someone might get hurt right?

You are one of the most incompetent people I have ever read on this board. My God, when will you get a clue? It appears to be never.

Peace

The rules are in place for a reason. Let's start there. The rules or the restrictions the rules place upon the players are intended to create a balance of fair play, to provide equal opportunity for the offense and defense, to provide reasonable safety and protection....

HOLD THE PHONE!!!!

That's right there in the rules! Let me get this right, I am incompetent because I use safety as a guideline to make a decision. Shame on me for acting like a human being and using such realistic factors as safety to make my decision.

I am of the opinion it is officials like you who ruin the sport for others because of your asinine inability to utilized all factors available to you to make a decision. The only thing you see and use to make a judgment is the rulebook. Not only do I use the rule, I also use the intent and purpose of the rule before I make a decision, and yes, I got block, block, block on this play each and everytime I see it.

In the event I did not get a proper look at the play, I'm in the new Lead position and transitioning up the court. I might use other factors available to me like safety, intelligent decision of the player, and so on to make a judgment. But that's just me. Sorry I disagree but don't hate me because I back up what I say. It may not be right, but it's going to be like that on both ends of the court today. BLOCK!!!!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

The rules are in place for a reason. Let's start there. The rules or the restrictions the rules place upon the players are intended to create a balance of fair play, to provide equal opportunity for the offense and defense, to provide reasonable safety and protection....

HOLD THE PHONE!!!!

That's right there in the rules! Let me get this right, I am incompetent because I use safety as a guideline to make a decision. Shame on me for acting like a human being and using such realistic factors as safety to make my decision.

I am of the opinion it is officials like you who ruin the sport for others because of your asinine inability to utilized all factors available to you to make a decision. The only thing you see and use to make a judgment is the rulebook. Not only do I use the rule, I also use the intent and purpose of the rule before I make a decision, and yes, I got block, block, block on this play each and everytime I see it.

In the event I did not get a proper look at the play, I'm in the new Lead position and transitioning up the court. I might use other factors available to me like safety, intelligent decision of the player, and so on to make a judgment. But that's just me. Sorry I disagree but don't hate me because I back up what I say. It may not be right, but it's going to be like that on both ends of the court today. BLOCK!!!!

In the OP, no one "ran underneath" anyone, no one's safety was threatened, and in fact, when the official called a block, several parents WERE upset, which you say they wouldn't be. So even by your standards this is a bad call. Just WOW!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) Let me get this right, I am incompetent because I use safety as a guideline to make a decision.

2) The only thing you see and use to make a judgment is the rulebook.

3) In the event I did not get a proper look at the play, I'm in the new Lead position and transitioning up the court. I might use other factors available to me like safety, intelligent decision of the player, and so on to make a judgment. But that's just me.

1) Naw, you're incompetent because you use "safety" as an excuse for not knowing basic rules.

2) Bad JRut! Bad, bad JRut! Using the rules to make a call. That's just wrong!

3) In other words you guess. But that's just you, JMO.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Old School

The rules are in place for a reason. Let's start there

Good idea. When are you going to start?

Originally Posted by Old School

Let me get this right, I am incompetent because I use safety as a guideline to make a decision.

That's correct - you should be using the rules as the guidelines for making the decisions.

Originally Posted by Old School

...and yes, I got block, block, block on this play each and everytime I see it... I might use other factors available to me like safety, intelligent decision of the player, and so on to make a judgment. But that's just me....It may not be right, but it's going to be like that on both ends of the court today.

This is also quoted from your post, but I'm borrowing it:

I am of the opinion it is officials like you who ruin the sport for others.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M

Careful, you only get one bullet.

Methinks that it'll have to be a silver bullet. A regular bullet just ain't gonna work on this clown.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That again ties with the dumbest statement ever made on this forum.

Can you point me at the NFHS rule that says that it is legal to run under an airborne player?

Btw, the offensive player with the ball in the video isn't airborne when the contact occurs. Don't let that little fact disturb your analysis of the play.

Stupid monkey.......

That's right JR but here's the problem. When observing this from the new L position, in transistion, I am unable to determine exactly when said feet of the defender was set and said feet of the offensive player was set. Therefore, what do we do. We got to have a call on this play. We can not no-call this play. The defensive player forced my hand. Well, when I'm unsure. Defense. Sorry, that be the way it is.

With instant replay, okay, guess I was wrong. Oh well, that be the way it is. Too bad we can't use replay on every call we make. I'm not trying to be perfect, like you, just trying to be consistent and stay out of trouble.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That again ties with the dumbest statement ever made on this forum.

Can you point me at the NFHS rule that says that it is legal to run under an airborne player?

Btw, the offensive player with the ball in the video isn't airborne when the contact occurs. Don't let that little fact disturb your analysis of the play.

Stupid monkey.......

Originally Posted by Old School

That's right JR

Sheez, Dinosaur, he agrees with you and you complain about it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

When observing this from the new L position, in transistion, I am unable to determine exactly when said feet of the defender was set and said feet of the offensive player was set. Therefore, what do we do. We got to have a call on this play. We can not no-call this play. The defensive player forced my hand. Well, when I'm unsure. Defense. Sorry, that be the way it is.

Sorry, JMO, but real officials will know what to look for, will know the correct rule, and will also know how to apply those rules to make the right call. The Old Schools of the world will guess. Real officials won't.

Sorry, that be the way it is.

[APG]

So if I'm understanding this correctly Old School, you're willing to completely ignore and willingly misapply the rules of the game? Doesn't seem exactly fair to either team who think their playing by the rules of the game. Do you happen to tell the teams which rules you'll happen to be enforcing from game to game?

[dblref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

So if I'm understanding this correctly Old School, you're willing to completely ignore and willingly misapply the rules of the game? Doesn't seem exactly fair to either team who think their playing by the rules of the game. Do you happen to tell the teams which rules you'll happen to be enforcing from game to game?

He won't be properly enforcing any of them because he doesn't know them and refuses to learn. You can't enforce what you don't know.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Old School

I got a block.

OS:

And why, pray tell is this a block? Please quote rules and casebook plays to support your call.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Old School

Damn right. I'm sending the message right now. Don't want players running underneath other players after they catch the ball in an attempt to draw the foul. Would you want someone to run underneath you everytime you catch the ball with your back turned? Damn right, this is how the games going to be called today.

Totally agree, but disagree with the "safer" term you used here. Safety has nothing to do with the rule. It's about getting there first. I seemed the worse type of falls when a player runs underneath another player and he loses his balance and lands very hard, very awkward. It is not safe to run underneath a player who can not see you coming, in any forum of basketball, even though by NFHS rule it is legal. This is why the professionals removed this from their rules. You must give a player a step, or before the player takes his final step to shoot. I will admit one thing about your statement bad zebra, this is one reason why I call a block on this type of play, for "safety" reasons.

9 times out of ten, that play is going to be rule a block anyway. With these type of odds, I would teach my players to go for the steal of the ball instead of trying to draw the offensive foul. Not saying I'm right. I'm just saying the odds are more in my favor to get the steal than the offensive foul.

OS:

After reading your post, all I can think of is the words of the immortal Bugs Bunny: "What a maroon!"

MTD, Sr.