Head coach late arrival to game

[johnny1784]

At the beginning of an AAU tournament game, Team A had only one coach on their bench. With approximately 6 minutes remaining, another adult, coach #2 sat down at Team A's bench. Coach #2 rose off his seat in a demonstrative manner with hands in the air to protest a no-call. A game official gave coach #2 a Bench Technical for violating head coach-box and challenging a referee. Coach #2 insisted that he is the head coach but the official informed him he was not on the bench at the start of the game nor was he in the book as the head coach and there was no communication from coach #1 that coach #2 has become the head coach.

Does anyone know where to find clarification or ruling in our NFHS books or NCAA online?

Please state your opinion and location of your findings.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

Coach #2 rose off his seat in a demonstrative manner with hands in the air to protest a no-call.

There's the justification right there for calling a "T", head coach or not. You don't need anything else. Unsporting behavior.

[johnny1784]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's the justification right there for calling a "T", head coach or not. You don't need anything else. Unsporting behavior.

Take it a step further and remove the behavior out of the situation.

What is the appropriate action when the head coach arrives late?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by johnny1784

What is the appropriate action when the head coach arrives late?

The head coach is the coach who verifies that his players are properly equipped prior to the game.

The head coach sits within the coaching box.

The head coach is allowed to stand within the coaching box during the game and coach.

Once the assistant coach acted as the head coach in the above three items, he is the head coach for that game. Nothing else matters. When this guy arrives later, he's just an assistant coach. As such, his a$$ needs to be parked on the bench and his mouth shut.

Great call by the official!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The head coach is the coach who verifies that his players are preoperly equipped prior to the game.

The head coach sits within the coaching box.

The head coach is allowed to stand within the coaching box during the game and coach.

Once the assistant coach acted as the head coach in the above three items, he is the head coach for that game. Nothing else matters. When this guy arrives later, he's just an assistant coach. As such, his a$$ needs to be parked on the bench and his mouth shut.

Great call by the official!

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What he said!

[WhistlesAndStripes]

I believe there's also something that states that if the HC is not seated in a seat in the coaching box at the start of the game, he has no coaching box privileges. Somewhere in Rule 10-5. Don't have my book for exact reference. So even if he WAS the HC, he has no box, and therefore, no right to rise other then to applaud outstanding play on the floor.

[26 Year Gap]

Too bad he wasn't there at the start. Sounds like he could've got his T early and then a 2nd one so he could go to the snack bar if he did not get there till 6 minutes left and got a T.

[Nevadaref]

I would advise that you verify which set of rules you are using. Some AAU events use NCAA rules, some use NFHS.


BTW...

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I believe there's also something that states that if the HC is not seated in a seat in the coaching box at the start of the game, he has no coaching box privileges. Somewhere in Rule 10-5. Don't have my book for exact reference. So even if he WAS the HC, he has no box, and therefore, no right to rise other then to applaud outstanding play on the floor.

10.5.1 SITUATION E: The coach of Team B sits on the opposite end of the bench from where the optional coaching box is located. The coach rises only when permitted by rule. RULING: Legal. The coach is not required to use the optional coaching box even though it has been adopted by the state association. However, if the coach begins the game by sitting somewhere other than where the box is located, he/she may not use the box privileges any time during the game. The coach must begin the game in a position within the box if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching-box provisions. (10-5 Note 1)

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

10.5.1 SITUATION E: [blah, blah, blah] However, if the coach begins the game by sitting somewhere other than where the box is located, he/she may not use the box privileges any time during the game. The coach must begin the game in a position within the box if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching-box provisions. (10-5 Note 1)

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

You mean Nevada posted something ridiculous & overly-officious?

No, can't be.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

Agree.

Do you know of any official that actually checks to see where the head coach is sitting at the start of the game?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree.

Do you know of any official that actually checks to see where the head coach is sitting at the start of the game?

Me...and anyone else who works for the same assignor I do...it is a point that was made very clearly that ALL aspects of the bench decorum rules were to be enforced - including that the head coach had to be seated in their box or they had no box...kinda stupid considering how big their box is, but "When in Rome..."

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

I don't like it.

I may or may not notice where the coach is sitting.

But the rule is in the book, and I know that someone wanted it there.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I don't like it.

I may or may not notice where the coach is sitting.

But the rule is in the book, and I know that someone wanted it there.

It doesn't matter where he sits, it matters where he stands if he coaching his team standing.

Last varisty game, coach was attending to some players or whatever he had that needed to be done and he was not at the table for the pregame meeting. In fact, I didn't know the coach for this team so I assumed the AC was the HC. When the game started, you could clearly see who was the HC as he was standing all the time in the box. So I just switched it for him being the HC and it wasn't a big deal. They didn't go back and forward with who's going to stand and so forth. In an AAU game, I would ask if I wasn't sure and enforce the box from that point forward. AC can't stand.