Head coach late arrival to game

[Ref in PA]

Originally Posted by Old School

I can't tell you how many HS varsity games I worked where the HC wasn't there for the pre-game discussion, sent the AC. Happens all the time.

Really? The HC for each team has been present for the pre-game discussion at EVERY ONE of my HS varsity games. I have been doing varsity games for the past 8 years and the Head Coaches have not missed one. I have had two JV games where the HC arrived late. It is not my experience that it "Happens all the time." In fact, just the opposite.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

10.5.1 SITUATION E: [blah, blah, blah] However, if the coach begins the game by sitting somewhere other than where the box is located, he/she may not use the box privileges any time during the game. The coach must begin the game in a position within the box if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching-box provisions. (10-5 Note 1)

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

You mean Nevada posted something ridiculous & overly-officious?

No, can't be.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

Agree.

Do you know of any official that actually checks to see where the head coach is sitting at the start of the game?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

I don't like it.

I may or may not notice where the coach is sitting.

But the rule is in the book, and I know that someone wanted it there.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Nobody is going to be questioning my calls! They may ask me questions about a call. They may or may not get an answer. BUT dang straight they will always be respectful if they want the same back.

Agreed....

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Old School

I can't tell you how many HS varsity games I worked

Why not? Alzheimers?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I don't like it.

I may or may not notice where the coach is sitting.

But the rule is in the book, and I know that someone wanted it there.

It doesn't matter where he sits, it matters where he stands if he coaching his team standing.

Last varisty game, coach was attending to some players or whatever he had that needed to be done and he was not at the table for the pregame meeting. In fact, I didn't know the coach for this team so I assumed the AC was the HC. When the game started, you could clearly see who was the HC as he was standing all the time in the box. So I just switched it for him being the HC and it wasn't a big deal. They didn't go back and forward with who's going to stand and so forth. In an AAU game, I would ask if I wasn't sure and enforce the box from that point forward. AC can't stand.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Why not? Alzheimers?

You know what the great thing about havine Alzheimers Disease is?

You get to meet brand new people EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!

Disclaimer: I can tell jokes about people with Alzheimer's Disease cause my grandmother suffered from it for the last 15 years of her life.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

You know what the great thing about havine Alzheimers Disease is?

You get to meet brand new people EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!

Disclaimer: I can tell jokes about people with Alzheimer's Disease cause my grandmother suffered from it for the last 15 years of her life.

FWIY, your grandmother's circumstance does not give you the right to make jokes about a disease my father suffered with the last 2 years of his life.

IOW you're an @sshole regardless of what your grandmother might have told you.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

It doesn't matter where he sits, it matters where he stands if he coaching his team standing.

Yes, it does matter. I agree with Scrapper and the others that I don't like the rule as written, but it is a rule, in the casebook 10.5.1 Sit E. In a game situation, I probably won't notice that the coach is sitting out of the box, and I'll end up booting the rule by mistake, but that doesn't change the rule as written.

[Adam]

What OS means is it doesn’t matter where the coach sits because OS doesn’t care about the rule(s). The rules aren't as important as game management, you know.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

You know what the great thing about havine Alzheimers Disease is?

You get to meet brand new people EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!

Disclaimer: I can tell jokes about people with Alzheimer's Disease cause my grandmother suffered from it for the last 15 years of her life.

Any subject about which you need to make disclaimers to a particular forum probably isn't a subject for joking in that forum.

[deecee]

who cares if the HC is a late arrival to an AAU game? in HS this wont be an issue -- and if it does practice common sense and treat the acting coach as the HC until the real HC makes it. Any penalties against the interim HC would carry over to the real HC once he arrives. why make a big deal about such a small thing.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Yes, it does matter. I agree with Scrapper and the others that I don't like the rule as written, but it is a rule, in the casebook 10.5.1 Sit E. In a game situation, I probably won't notice that the coach is sitting out of the box, and I'll end up booting the rule by mistake, but that doesn't change the rule as written.

That's why we have the ability to add judgment to any rule, intelligently applying the rules. If you where to enforce this rule precisely as written, you would be wrong. It's only an issue if the coach is screaming about something. Don't look for trouble. Just tell him to get in the box. On the other hand, if the coach is screaming at you and he/she is out of the box after warning them. You have a GO! Green Light! Whack 'em!!!