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Violation or not? Stepping IB's without the ball
In tonights game, a player was taking the ball OOB's after a made basket. He lost his balance, but before stepping IB's, dropped the ball beside him and stepped IB's. A violation was called. Was this correct or could he have stepped back OOB's, retrieved the ball and then threw it IB's?
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At first reading, I didn't see a violation here, but after examining it further (or actually thought about it!
![]() The Fed (7-5-7) and NCAA (7-5.8) rules are worded similarly here. Essentially, a player taking the throw-in after a score has two options: to make a direct throw-in pass IB, or pass the ball to another teammate OOB. According to NCAA Approved Ruling 155 (text on page BR-133 of the NCAA rules, following 7-5.8), the player in your situation has done neither and has, therefore, violated. I don't know if there is a similar Fed case play to cover this (I'm sure someone will feel free to quote it if there is!), but I would think they would rule in the same way. I wouldn't feel so bad about this if it were a baseball question, but, geez, I've been officiating basketball (on the floor and at the table) since I was in HS... hell, it put me through university, and that was a while ago! ![]() Oh well, you never stop learning, right? Andrew |
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I agree with JR - no violation here. However, the official should have started a 5 second count when the player's team initially had the ball at their disposal for the inbound, and the count continues while all this is going on. Depending on how long this all took, it's quite possible that there could be a 5 second violation.
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Despite the new NCAA A.R., which I believe is a poor ruling and will likely be revisited, there is absolutely nothing under NFHS rules which prohibit this player's actions. Thus put me on the same side as JR = no violation here.
BTW we just had this discussion over on the NFHS forum, and MJT you even posted in that thread! http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=001425 Last edited by Nevadaref; Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 09:19am. |
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[Note: sorry for those who read this just after it was originally posted: I hit the wrong key and it was posted prematurely!
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However, having read your response and that of other officials who have posted responses here (and elsewhere): as far as Fed goes, it seems that the consensus is that this is not a violation. I defer to your experience (and my first reaction!) ![]() Andrew Last edited by Four-Oh; Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 05:43pm. |
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