Violation or not? Stepping IB's without the ball

[badgerfan]

The rule, as I understand it, is that once the inbound is administered, the player is not allowed to step over the end line.

Please correct as required.

[Four-Oh]

Originally Posted by badgerfan

The rule, as I understand it, is that once the inbound is administered, the player is not allowed to step over the end line.

Please correct as required.

That was what I was originally thinking. But Fed 9-2-5 actually states that "[t]he thrower shall not carry the ball onto the court." The same prohibition exists as part of NCAA 9-5.1e. But in the play from the OP, the thrower left the ball behind. That's why I went looking for more info.

Andrew

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by badgerfan

The rule, as I understand it, is that once the inbound is administered, the player is not allowed to step over the end line.

Please correct as required.

OK. The player that stepped over the end line was not touching or being touched by the ball while he was doing so. That's legal. Any player of the throwing team can legally step in bounds and then go back OOB during a non-designated spot throw-in. If you look at the throw-in violations listed under NFHS rule 9-2, you won't find anything stating that the player has violated for stepping in and out of bounds without the ball on an unrestricted throw-in. If you do find something, please cite it.

[TimTaylor]

I agree with JR - no violation here. However, the official should have started a 5 second count when the player's team initially had the ball at their disposal for the inbound, and the count continues while all this is going on. Depending on how long this all took, it's quite possible that there could be a 5 second violation.

[Nevadaref]

Despite the new NCAA A.R., which I believe is a poor ruling and will likely be revisited, there is absolutely nothing under NFHS rules which prohibit this player's actions. Thus put me on the same side as JR = no violation here.

BTW we just had this discussion over on the NFHS forum, and MJT you even posted in that thread!

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=001425

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Despite the new NCAA A.R., which I believe is a poor ruling and will likely be revisited, there is absolutely nothing under NFHS rules which prohibit this player's actions. Thus put me on the same side as JR = no violation here.

BTW we just had this discussion over on the NFHS forum, and MJT you even posted in that thread!

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=001425

That was 11 days ago, and my brain forgets everything after 2 days so that one was wiped clean. My post in that thread was an OOB's to OOB's pass and then a pass IB's which I know is legal. I thought this one was also, but wanted more opinions, didn't have time to look it up, and forgot about that one.

[Nevadaref]

So you're pleading CRS. Ok.