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Old Thu Feb 08, 2007, 04:10pm
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I thought I said that the asst coach was properly T'd and I would agree that it was inappropriate for him to call the ref a "moron" However, in response to your "typical fanboy" comment, I could enjoy the game alot more without refs that think that once they put on a striped shirt, everything that they do is above reproach. Just because I am a fan doesn't mean I don't know the rules or can't have an reasoned opinion on what proper behavior for a ref, for a coach or for a fan should entail.
Calm down and be realistic, we're talking about middle school games here.

Do you think middle school games attract the best officials?

If this guy is so bad do you think you're the first to notice?

Do you think your opinion as a spectator adds to or detracts from what others already think about him?

Enjoy your kid and his games. You aint gonna fix the entire planet.
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Old Thu Feb 08, 2007, 04:25pm
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[QUOTE=Dan_ref]Calm down and be realistic, we're talking about middle school games here.

Do you think middle school games attract the best officials?


As a newer ref who has done a great many 'middle school' games, I believe I have heard a heck of a lot of "constructive criticism" from the fans, players, coaches, and other refs this yr. I know this is where I need to start. I try to take it all in stride and seperate the whining from the constructive criticism as I realize I still have a lot to learn and I miss calls. It's tough though sometimes that's for sure!
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Old Thu Feb 08, 2007, 07:19pm
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Calm down and be realistic, we're talking about middle school games here.

Do you think middle school games attract the best officials?


As a newer ref who has done a great many 'middle school' games, I believe I have heard a heck of a lot of "constructive criticism" from the fans, players, coaches, and other refs this yr. I know this is where I need to start. I try to take it all in stride and seperate the whining from the constructive criticism as I realize I still have a lot to learn and I miss calls. It's tough though sometimes that's for sure!
Yep, we all started there and middle school has the worst coaches, players and fans of any level.

Not an easy environment for someone learning the ropes.
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Old Thu Feb 08, 2007, 07:54pm
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My response is that this is a typical middle school situation. Most coaches at this level are parents and their only experience is in watching TV, they think they know it all and they aren't smart enough to pick their spots and use discretion to properly communicate with officials. Most new officials at this level are intimidated by the commentary of fans and especially fanboy coaches, consequently, these coaches gain control of the game rather than the refs, and that leads to situations like this. The official involved clearly did not have the mindset to deal with the situation, and the assistant coach was way out of line. As with for the officials, administrators are simply happy to have someone coaching the team, and so they end up with this. Middle school basketball should be about developing skills on all levels, particularly communication. Most new refs don't last beyond this level because there is too much crap to deal with and they don't have either the tools or the skin to deal with it.
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Old Thu Feb 08, 2007, 08:57pm
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And, by the way, I have been a referee in the past, just not now as I have school age kids and want to spend my time watching them play ball.
This one has been knawing at me for awhile, and I just figured out what it is. This guy claims he used to be an official. I now proclaim: BULLSHIRT! No official, current or former would ever try to throw a fellow official under the bus for something as silly as what was described in the OP.

Unless this guy was part of OS's crew, he's no more an official than my 2 year old son. That makes him either a liar or someone who was drummed out of the brotherhood for some nefarious action and he has an axe to grind. i wonder which it is.
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Old Thu Feb 08, 2007, 09:13pm
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This one has been gnawing at me for awhile, and I just figured out what it is. This guy claims he used to be an official. I now proclaim: BULLSHIRT! No official, current or former would ever try to throw a fellow official under the bus for something as silly as what was described in the OP.

Unless this guy was part of OS's crew, he's no more an official than my 2 year old son. That makes him either a liar or someone who was drummed out of the brotherhood for some nefarious action and he has an axe to grind. i wonder which it is.
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