Referee with "rabbit ears"

[dkmz17]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Philosophically, I have a real problem with anyone that was in the crowd having any input into the rating or disciplining an official. Thats a mighty big Camel with a mighty big nose, to let into our tent. Its way worse than the coaches who vote for referees for tourney games.

I gotta agree with my dinosaur friend. You are coming across as a typical fan who has an axe to grind just because you didn't like the outcome of a game. Unfair? Maybe. But allowing fans to have some sort of authority over officials is scary. If you think referees are substandard, grab a whistle and improve the referee pool in your area. OTherwise, sit down, watch the game and STFU!

Uh-OH. F U February may have just kicked in for me.

As said earlier, I have done that in the past. If I do it again, does that mean I have the right to complain, but not until then? Ok, I am done with this issue now, sorry, I will confine my posts from now on to strict rules questions.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

I thought I said that the asst coach was properly T'd and I would agree that it was inappropriate for him to call the ref a "moron" However, in response to your "typical fanboy" comment, I could enjoy the game alot more without refs that think that once they put on a striped shirt, everything that they do is above reproach. Just because I am a fan doesn't mean I don't know the rules or can't have an reasoned opinion on what proper behavior for a ref, for a coach or for a fan should entail.

Calm down and be realistic, we're talking about middle school games here.

Do you think middle school games attract the best officials?

If this guy is so bad do you think you're the first to notice?

Do you think your opinion as a spectator adds to or detracts from what others already think about him?

Enjoy your kid and his games. You aint gonna fix the entire planet.

[SWMOzebra]

Maybe the official in question was slow on his 3-sec. call from the first shot....knowing the player was in the lane too long but not seeing an advantage to be gained until the shot was put up, but just slow getting air into his/her Fox and that delay allowed the rebounder to get off a quick shot.

Seems like a whole lotta "maybes" could be plugged in here as we guess at what the officials' knowledge/intentions might have been. You don't mention that the ref and his/her partner conferenced because the P might have disagreed with the 3-sec. call.

I just can't imagine voicing support for a fan to complain to an AD about any referee of any sport. You say you were an official once, then you must know how difficult the job can be at times. The mistakes made may or may not have been honest ones, but the behavior of the asst coach is unacceptable at any level.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

I thought I said that the asst coach was properly T'd and I would agree that it was inappropriate for him to call the ref a "moron" However, in response to your "typical fanboy" comment, I could enjoy the game alot more without refs that think that once they put on a striped shirt, everything that they do is above reproach. Just because I am a fan doesn't mean I don't know the rules or can't have an reasoned opinion on what proper behavior for a ref, for a coach or for a fan should entail.

You know what stood out in your original post? You were hell-bent on writing a letter of complaint about the official and getting him black-balled. However, you gave absolutely no thought at all about writing a similar letter of complaint about an assistant freshman coach who calls officials names and gets thrown out of a game for his unsporting behavior. If you think that the official should be banned from officiating for his behavior, then don't you think also that it might be fair if the coach was fired for his behavior? Or does it only work one way?

As I said, think about it.

[grunewar]

[QUOTE=Dan_ref]Calm down and be realistic, we're talking about middle school games here.

Do you think middle school games attract the best officials?


As a newer ref who has done a great many 'middle school' games, I believe I have heard a heck of a lot of "constructive criticism" from the fans, players, coaches, and other refs this yr. I know this is where I need to start. I try to take it all in stride and seperate the whining from the constructive criticism as I realize I still have a lot to learn and I miss calls. It's tough though sometimes that's for sure!

[Eastshire]

No, officials showed not verbally spar with fans. For that matter fans shouldn't verbal spar with officials either, but what are you going to do?

From your description, it would appear that the 3 second call was in error. All of the T's seem deserved. An official making a mistake does not give anyone carte blanche to be unsportsmanlike.

I don't see anything here particularly important other than a tired official at the end of a long day.

[dkmz17]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Maybe the official in question was slow on his 3-sec. call from the first shot....knowing the player was in the lane too long but not seeing an advantage to be gained until the shot was put up, but just slow getting air into his/her Fox and that delay allowed the rebounder to get off a quick shot.

Seems like a whole lotta "maybes" could be plugged in here as we guess at what the officials' knowledge/intentions might have been. You don't mention that the ref and his/her partner conferenced because the P might have disagreed with the 3-sec. call.

I just can't imagine voicing support for a fan to complain to an AD about any referee of any sport. You say you were an official once, then you must know how difficult the job can be at times. The mistakes made may or may not have been honest ones, but the behavior of the asst coach is unacceptable at any level.

The ref that made the 3 second call was on the baseline and based upon when he made the call, it did not appear to be a delayed call as it occurred after the rebounder put up the shot and appeared to get fouled. Further, there was no conference between the the referees about the call.

I guess I just wanted to vent about this ref as I have literally watched over 200 7th and 8th grade level school and AAU styles games over the last 2 years and he struck me as one of, if not the, worst. 'Nuf said

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

I guess I just wanted to vent about this ref as I have literally watched over 200 7th and 8th grade level school and AAU styles games over the last 2 years and he struck me as one of, if not the, worst.

Wow!!

You've literally watched over 200 kiddie games over the last 2 years. I take back everything that I said. You are obviously extremely qualified to evaluate officials.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wow!!

You've literally watched over 200 kiddie games over the last 2 years. I take back everything that I said. You are obviously extremely qualified to evaluate officials.

I'm not into using all of those abbreviations, but I just laughed my a@# out of my chair or how ever the kids are saying it these days. Good stuff!

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Junker

I'm not into using all of those abbreviations, but I just laughed my a@# out of my chair or how ever the kids are saying it these days. Good stuff!

LMAO is what your looking for.

[dkmz17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wow!!

You've literally watched over 200 kiddie games over the last 2 years. I take back everything that I said. You are obviously extremely qualified to evaluate officials.

I'm sorry, you evidently are some really big deal

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

I'm sorry, you evidently are some really big deal

But you didn't answer his question:

Are you also planning on writing the same letter of complaint about the coach?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

I'm sorry, you evidently are some really big deal

Naw, not really. I'm still wondering what your answer is to my question though.

You wanted to write a letter that will basically encourage all local schools not to use that official. Do you feel that a letter should also be written encouraging the firing of the assistant coach for his actions? It's should basically be the same, shouldn't it?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Naw, not really. I'm still wondering what your answer is to my question though.

You wanted to write a letter that will basically encourage all local schools not to use that official. Do you feel that a letter should also be written encouraging the firing of the assistant coach for his actions?

Hey, good question.

[blindmanwalking]

Let's get this thread back on topic.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee