Rule Change Proposals

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

No doubt, it's the "no matter the cost" that scares me.

You must be one of those "defeat at any cost" Americans.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

Current Rule:
Rule 4 SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE
Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 . . . Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: In Arts. 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball continues after it enters a basket cylinder or if in such action, the player touches the basket. Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket interference.
ART. 3 . . . Touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below.
ART. 4 . . . Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.

Proposed change:
SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE
Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (excluding the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 . . . Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: In Arts. 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball continues after it enters a basket cylinder or if in such action, the player touches the basket. Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket interference.
ART. 3 . . . Touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below.
ART. 4 . . . Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.
ART. 5 . . . Pulls down the net, and in doing so, pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.

Other Affected Rules (per language used): None.

Affected Case Plays:

Current Case Play:
9.11.1 Situation D: The ball is on the ring of Team A's basket when A1 hits the net. RULING: Basket interference by A1. No goal. The ball became dead when A1 touched the net as it is part of the basket. (4-6; 6-7-9)

Proposed Change:
9.11.1 Situation D: The ball is on the ring of Team A's basket when A1 hits the net. RULING: No violation. Play continues. Simply contacting the net while the ball is on the ring is not basket interference. (4-6)

Eliminate 9.11.1 Situation F.

Again, thank you, Chuck.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

Current Rule:
3-5-3-c. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and may be a maximum of 4 inches (except for logo, see 3-6).

Proposed Change:
3-5-3-c. Sweatbands may be worn anywhere on the arm and may be a maximum of 4 inches (except for logo, see 3-6).

Other Affected Rules: None.

Affected Case Plays: None.

Thank you again, CE.

[Larks]

Team control on throw in.

7 on free throw shots is interesting but if WE don't mess around getting the shooter the ball, we can help in this aspect. Takes 3-5 seconds max to sweep and bounce.

Eliminate the ability to sub after 2nd made free throw.

2-man - call foul - stay at table
2-man - no long switch

[REFVA]

Good to hear back from you Chuck!

this is not a rule, but maybe a suggestion to recommend a 3 man for all High school level. To include Fr, JV . The lower levels is where you need the extra pair of eyes..

[ChuckElias]

Ok, so far, here are the serious suggestions: (I'm leaving out mechanics suggestions for the moment.)

1) Add "slapping the backboard" to the definition of BI.
2) Add an official warning for a coach violating the coaching box rules.
3) Expand definition of team control to include holding the ball OOB for a throw-in.
4) 2 FTs for any common foul beginning with the team's 7th foul of the half.
5) TO shall not be granted to a head coach unless the ball is dead and the clock is stopped.
6) Violation for the inbounder delaying his return to the court.
7) Change penalty for Substitute Technicals to include indirect on head coach.
8) Add "gray shirt" to approved uniform for officials.
9) Eliminate the jump ball (I can't tell if Billy was serious about that one).
10) Eliminate or reduce the 10-second count during FTs.
11) Re-word 9-9-1.
12) Revise the kicking definition to include "contact" instead of "striking".
13) Revise the definition of BI to exclude contact with the net and include pulling on the net, causing the rim to move.
14) Revise sweatband requirements.
15) Prohibit substitutions after the final FT of a multiple throw.
16) Change the blarge procedure to eliminate the double foul penalty.

So far, only #11 #12, #13, and #14 have been written in a way that meets the FED's requirements. Anybody want to write up any of the other ones? Any other suggestions?

[ChuckElias]

Let me throw out one of my own and see what anybody thinks. How about clearing the team fouls at the beginning of each OT period. That way, you're not shooting FTs from the first whistle in OT. Shoot the bonus on the 3rd team foul of each OT.

Anybody like this? I know it goes against the concept of "OT is just an extension of the fourth quarter". Somebody mentioned it to me and I thought I'd throw it out there. I kind of like it.

Also, I'm kind of surprised that there's no outcry for going to the POI for technical fouls. That's been a pretty common suggestion in years past, I think.

[MadCityRef]

Originally Posted by Larks

2-man - call foul - stay at table
2-man - no long switches.

Rumor is this will change with the Officals Manual next season to be in line with 3-man mechanics.

I do not like the mechanic in 3-man where Lead calls an offensive foul in front court, goes to report, then returns to inbound the ball. Lead should stay at table and become new center or trail with other official taking the inbounds. The current mechanic delays the game and puts too much attention on the Lead. Get the ball inbounds and go.

[deecee]

madcity it doesnt delay the game -- blow the whistle take a few steps in to make the call -- return to your spot and go. -- it will take a while if you run all the way to about 8-10 feet from the table do your mechanics and then slowly turn around and go back to your spot. but IMO just clear the players -- make eye contact make your call and signal and move on.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Let me throw out one of my own and see what anybody thinks. How about clearing the team fouls at the beginning of each OT period. That way, you're not shooting FTs from the first whistle in OT. Shoot the bonus on the 3rd team foul of each OT.

Anybody like this? I know it goes against the concept of "OT is just an extension of the fourth quarter". Somebody mentioned it to me and I thought I'd throw it out there. I kind of like it.

Also, I'm kind of surprised that there's no outcry for going to the POI for technical fouls. That's been a pretty common suggestion in years past, I think.

Don't like dropping the team fouls for overtimes. You're trying to make the game like the pro's. It's not needed at this level. Plus, so many people; table personnel, officials know this procedure. You're talking retraining and for what? It will not make the game any better.

Believe it or not. I like the idea that a team should lose the ball on a technical. It seems the message to not get any technical fouls or screw around with the ref's. High school ball should not be played like pro ball. I like the seat belt rule. You go and change that, it won't be long before we lose the seat belt,imo.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

Signal Chart Change: Change Signal # 31 - "Blocking" from open/cupped hands to fists on hips. (Same rationale as change of signal # 28 prior to 2004-05 season - "fist conveys more strength.")

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by Old School

Don't like dropping the team fouls for overtimes. You're trying to make the game like the pro's. It's not needed at this level. Plus, so many people; table personnel, officials know this procedure. You're talking retraining and for what? It will not make the game any better.

Believe it or not. I like the idea that a team should lose the ball on a technical. It seems the message to not get any technical fouls or screw around with the ref's. High school ball should not be played like pro ball. I like the seat belt rule. You go and change that, it won't be long before we lose the seat belt,imo.

I don't think ChuckE was talking to you, OS.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

220 Currently Reads:

Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Two Officials - Throw-In
220. The administering official shall hand or bounce the ball to the thrower and move to observe the action unless the throw-in is following a successful goal. This in no way lessens the importance of adhering to the nearest spot/designated spot. When adminstering throw-ins on the side line, a bounce is recommended. When adminstering throw-ins on the end line and remaining in the front court, handing the ball to the thrower is recommended. If the throw-in is after a goal, the thrower should be allowed a reasonable time to secure the ball at the end line after which the five-second count is started. The count shall be silent and visible. The administering official shall sound the whistle to indicate play is about to begin only following a charged time-out, an intermission or an unusual delay. If the clock has been stopped, the adminstering official should signal to start the clock when the released ball touches a player who is inbounds.

Proposed Changes:

Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Two Officials - Throw-In
220. The administering official shall hand or bounce the ball to the thrower and move to observe the action unless the throw-in is following a successful goal. This in no way lessens the importance of adhering to the nearest spot/designated spot. When adminstering throw-ins on the side line, a bounce is recommended. When adminstering throw-ins on the end line and remaining in the front court, handing the ball to the thrower is recommended. If the throw-in is after a goal, the thrower should be allowed a reasonable time to secure the ball at the end line after which the five-second count is started. The count shall be silent and visible. The administering official shall sound the whistle to indicate play is about to begin only following a charged time-out, an intermission, an unusual delay, or when the throwing team is on the end line of their frontcourt after the clock has been stopped. If the clock has been stopped, the adminstering official, and the Trail, if Lead is the administering official, should signal to start the clock when the released ball touches a player who is inbounds.


333 Currently Reads:

Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Three Officials - Throw-In
333. The administering official shall hand or bounce the ball to the thrower and move to observe the action unless the throw-in is following a successful goal. This in no way lessens the importance of adhering to the nearest spot/designated spot. When administering throw-ins on the side line, a bounce is recommended. When administering throw-ins on the end line and remaining in the front court, handing the ball to the thrower is recommended. If the throw-in is after a goal, the thrower should be allowed a reasonable time to secure the ball at the end line after which the five-second count is started. The count shall be silent and visible. The administering official shall sound the whistle to indicate play is about to begin only following a charged time-out, an intermission or an unusual delay. If the clock has been stopped, the adminstering official should signal to start the clock when the released ball touches a player who is inbounds.

Proposed Changes:

Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Three Officials - Throw-In
333. The administering official shall hand or bounce the ball to the thrower and move to observe the action unless the throw-in is following a successful goal. This in no way lessens the importance of adhering to the nearest spot/designated spot. When administering throw-ins on the side line, a bounce is recommended. When administering thro-ins on the end line and remaining in the front court, handing the ball to the thrower is recommended. If the throw-in is after a goal, the thrower should be allowed a reasonable time to secure the ball at the end line after which the five-second count is started. The count shall be silent and visible. The administering official shall sound the whistle to indicate play is about to begin only following a charged time-out, an intermission, an unusual delay, or when the throwing team is on the end line of their frontcourt after the clock has been stopped. If the clock has been stopped, the adminstering official, and the Trail, if Lead is the administering official, should signal to start the clock when the released ball touches a player who is inbounds.


Affected Rules: None.

Affected Case Plays: None.


(Can you tell I've been home sick for two days?)

[Stat-Man]

Since NFHS is big on administrative rule changes, I have one:

2-11-1-Note: It is recommended required the team member numbers be submitted and entered into the official scorebook in numerical order.

To address a pet peeve of mine.

[BillyMac]

Stat-Man:

Good idea for a change. It would certainly help the referee when he or she checks the book for identical or illegal numbers. It would also make it easier for the scorekeeper who doesn't know the player's names to find the number quickly to record points and fouls. Would there a need to for a provision for a late, but still before the ten minute mark, change; torn or bloodied uniforms needing changing, varsity player getting sick or injured and being replaced on the roster by a junior varsity player, etc? Some coaches make up the roster hours before game time.