Rule Change Proposals

[ChuckElias]

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

[RookieDude]

Hi Chuck...good to hear from you again.

Obviously, the NFHS "Blarge" to match the NCAA-W "Blarge" mechanic.
(As evident in previous posts)

[zebraman]

Either allow college players to call a time-out while airborne (while heading out-of-bounds) or else don't allow NFHS players to do it. Make it the same for crying out loud.

Change slapping the backboard to basket interference if the ball is on the cylinder. Or else make it a T anytime a player slaps the backboard, not just if the officials think they are doing it on purpose.

Get a clarification from the NHFS about a foul on a player who is shooting and then passes after the foul is called. Do they get 2 shots because they were in the shooting motion or is it a non-shooting foul because they ended up passing the ball?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

How about a "sideline warning" for coaches out of their box, similar to the football rule. First time it's a warning. Any additional, technical foul. Maybe even make it one of the "formal warning" items, although, I would make it a warning of it's own.

[tjones1]

In Illinois we had a warning last year, it was removed this year and is now an automatic T.

I think I would like to see team control during a throw-in.

[Camron Rust]

Change team control to include a throwin for the purposes of the team control foul...just like the NCAA rule.

[IamKip]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Get a clarification from the NHFS about a foul on a player who is shooting and then passes after the foul is called. Do they get 2 shots because they were in the shooting motion or is it a non-shooting foul because they ended up passing the ball?

If they want a shooting foul then shoot it!!! If they pass then it is no shot... Seems pretty clear to me.

[psujaye]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Either allow college players to call a time-out while airborne (while heading out-of-bounds) or else don't allow NFHS players to do it. Make it the same for crying out loud.

Change slapping the backboard to basket interference if the ball is on the cylinder. Or else make it a T anytime a player slaps the backboard, not just if the officials think they are doing it on purpose.

Get a clarification from the NHFS about a foul on a player who is shooting and then passes after the foul is called. Do they get 2 shots because they were in the shooting motion or is it a non-shooting foul because they ended up passing the ball?

How does everyone handle this? My partner and I had a double whistle on a foul call (we had the same call- he reported it) and i was surprised when he said '2 shots' bc the player passed the ball after the whistle blew (he was in the air when we called the foul). The coach bit%hed and my partner said 'coach there is no way i can tell if he is going to shoot or pass when he leaves his feet'. that satified the coach, but i still think i would've kept the foul on the floor. thoughts?

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

This would be good too:

Change the Blarge so that the officials have to come together and decided which happend first instead of reporting the double foul.

[Back In The Saddle]

HC may only call time out when the ball is dead and the clock is stopped.

Make the gray shirt officially legal.

Add definitions of "reaching in" and "over the back." Everybody uses those terms, and no amount of whining about them here will ever change that. So give them a sensible definition and then we'll have some ammo to use next time the coach starts hollering about "he's reaching."

Make it a capital offense for anybody on the bench to yell "TRAVEL!" Ever. For any reason.

By state adoption, the "electronic fence" can be employed to keep coaches in their boxes while the clock is running.

Require scorekeepers and clock operators to be state trained and certified. When students are employed to run the clock/book, cell phones must be handed over to the referee, and no other students may sit within 25 feet of the score table.

[rainmaker]

So, Chuck, this thread has been up for 72 hours. Has anyone sent any "finished product" yet?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

Current Rule:
"Rule 4 Section 29 - Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot."

Proposed Change:
"Rule 4 Section 29 - Kicking the ball is intentionally contacting it with any part of the leg or foot."

Affected Case Plays:
Change title of "4.29 Situation" to "4.29 Situation A."
Addition of "4.29 Situation B: A1 is on the floor with the ball lodged between the upper part of the legs. B1 attempts to gain possession of the ball by placing two hands firmly on the ball; however, A1 applies vice-like force with the upper legs, which prevents B1 from gaining possession of the ball. RULING: A1 has committed a kicking violation. The intent of this rule is to prevent a player from gaining an advantage by using any part of the leg. Although A1 did not strike the ball with any part of the leg, the player did gain an illegal advantage by intentionally contacting the ball with the leg(s). (4-29)"

Thank you, Chuck.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

Change Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Two Officials - Fouls - 233 (completely) to read:
233. Free Official:
a. Freeze field of vision to observe players until the reporting official turns to observe players.
b. Ignore the ball while the foul is being reported.
c. Anticipate anything unusual relative to the next play, such as, but not limited to, false double or double fouls, one of two shots, change of side, etc.
d. After the foul is reported and the reporting official is observing players from new position, while keepinig the players in view, secure the ball and move to the proper position for the ensuing play.
e. Do not run through the players.
f. If free throw(s) is to be taken, insure the proper free thrower is on the line.

Change Basic Procedures and Mechanics - Two Officials - Fouls - 234 (completely) to read:
234. Switching Principles:
a. The official who calls the foul remains as Trail.
b. There is no switch on a foul in the backcourt going to the frontcourt.

Thanks again, Chuck.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

Current Rule:
Rule 4 SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE
Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 . . . Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: In Arts. 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball continues after it enters a basket cylinder or if in such action, the player touches the basket. Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket interference.
ART. 3 . . . Touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below.
ART. 4 . . . Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.

Proposed change:
SECTION 6 BASKET INTERFERENCE
Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 . . . Touches the ball or any part of the basket (excluding the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 . . . Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: In Arts. 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball continues after it enters a basket cylinder or if in such action, the player touches the basket. Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket interference.
ART. 3 . . . Touches the ball outside the cylinder while reaching through the basket from below.
ART. 4 . . . Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.
ART. 5 . . . Pulls down the net, and in doing so, pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.

Other Affected Rules (per language used): None.

Affected Case Plays:

Current Case Play:
9.11.1 Situation D: The ball is on the ring of Team A's basket when A1 hits the net. RULING: Basket interference by A1. No goal. The ball became dead when A1 touched the net as it is part of the basket. (4-6; 6-7-9)

Proposed Change:
9.11.1 Situation D: The ball is on the ring of Team A's basket when A1 hits the net. RULING: No violation. Play continues. Simply contacting the net while the ball is on the ring is not basket interference. (4-6)

Eliminate 9.11.1 Situation F.

Again, thank you, Chuck.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

This week, I received a form for making rule change suggestions to the FED. Anybody can get the form and make a suggestion, I guess. But I happen to know a member of the rules committee, so he sends me the form directly. If you have a rule that you think should be changed and you would like me to send it on to the committee, here's your chance!

To be submitted, the change has to be submitted exactly as you think it should read in the book. Also, they want us to note exactly what part of the existing rule would have to be deleted, if necessary. Finally (enough hoops to jump through? ), they ask to note other rules and cases affected by the proposed change.

So it's not enough to say, "I'd like to see them go to the POI for a single technical foul". It needs to be written up precisely as it would appear in next year's rulebook.

I got a tremendous response last year when I asked for case book play proposals, so I hope that you have some ideas to pass along.

Current Rule:
3-5-3-c. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and may be a maximum of 4 inches (except for logo, see 3-6).

Proposed Change:
3-5-3-c. Sweatbands may be worn anywhere on the arm and may be a maximum of 4 inches (except for logo, see 3-6).

Other Affected Rules: None.

Affected Case Plays: None.

Thank you again, CE.