Duke/Clemson timing error

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

Once again, when pressed on the facts and logic you resort to personal attacks. You show yourself for what you are. If you think your pitiful assault on fans has any effect at all -- you are sadly mistaken. Debate or argue like an adult, with dignity, logic, and decorum.

Facts and logic? Some ignorant, clueless fan who knows absolutely nothing about basketball officiating thinks that his verbal diarrhea equates to "facts and logic"? How can anybody debate with someone that knows absolutely nothing about the subject that he wants to debate? What color is the sky in your world anyway, fanboy?

Lah me....

Every damn year without fail....

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Facts and logic? Some ignorant, clueless fan who knows absolutely nothing about basketball officiating thinks that his verbal diarrhea equates to "facts and logic"? How can anybody debate with someone that knows absolutely nothing about the subject that he wants to debate? What color is the sky in your world anyway, fanboy?

Lah me....

Every damn year without fail....

Okay, Nethanderal man, please justify you statement. What is this thread that I have written can possibly lead you to that conclusion? Nothing -- there is nothing in this thread about the depth of knowledge that you can make that judgment on. Thus, you have just reaffirmed your assertion and protestations are baseless. LOL

[BktBallRef]

Can someone get rid of this guy, or at least shut this thing down?

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Can someone get rid of this guy, or at least shut this thing down?

Ah -- democracy at its finest. Problems with Article 1 of the Bill of Rights have we?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

Ah -- democracy at its finest. Problems with Article 1 of the Bill of Rights have we?

I see your knowledge of the constitution is as deep as your knowledge of officiating basketball, in other words all theory, bluster, and wishful thinking. And no real experience.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

This board is private property, and as such its owners and their agents can limit the speech of any person here in any way they choose. Legally. If the mods were to shut you down, remove your posts, delete your account, and block your access to this forum in perpetuity, it would in no way violate the constitution's prohibition against congress ... abridging the freedom of speech.

And while I have your attention, let me just assure you that the Jurassic one is certainly not some adolecent masquerading as a curmudgeon. He is, in fact, a very real curmudgeon. And let me get you up to speed on how this works. Every year around this time, whiney fans show up here to complain about how their team got shafted. With no perceivable rules knowledge, no officiating experience, and all the objectivity of Al Gore on the eve of that fateful Supreme Court decision, they come spewing vitriol and venom, caustically self-assured of the righteousness of thier indignation. I don't know why they think they're going to get a sympathetic reception here. But we don't want them here and we get rid of them. JR is chairman of the welcoming committee, he's done a bang up job of it, and was recently re-elected to his post. Unanimously.

By the way, you're a bit early for the main influx of fanboys. That usually doesn't happen until March. So consider yourself lucky that JR is just getting warmed up and isn't in full stride yet.

Now that you're up to speed on history, especially historic patterns, as that seems to be of interest to you, let's talk recent history.

Who was it that wandered into the forum, made very assertive statements about top-rated officials blowing judgement calls (based on such conclusive evidence as the reaction of some Clemsen fans) and began talking about forming a process to remove referees? Hmmmm, that would be you. Can you see how that wouldn't warrant you a warm reception? I didn't think it would, but I figured it would be worth a try.

So why don't you take your fascinating theories and penchant for lively debate to where you'll get a warmer reception. Like your neighborhood sports bar. Oh, and if the bartender tires of your patter, drop that line about Article I on him. He'll be impressed.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I see your knowledge of the constitution is as deep as your knowledge of officiating basketball, in other words all theory, bluster, and wishful thinking. And no real experience.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

This board is private property, and as such its owners and their agents can limit the speech of any person here in any way they choose. Legally. If the mods were to shut you down, remove your posts, delete your account, and block your access to this forum in perpetuity, it would in no way violate the constitution's prohibition against congress ... abridging the freedom of speech.

And while I have your attention, let me just assure you that the Jurassic one is certainly not some adolecent masquerading as a curmudgeon. He is, in fact, a very real curmudgeon. And let me get you up to speed on how this works. Every year around this time, whiney fans show up here to complain about how their team got shafted. With no perceivable rules knowledge, no officiating experience, and all the objectivity of Al Gore on the eve of that fateful Supreme Court decision, they come spewing vitriol and venom, caustically self-assured of the righteousness of thier indignation. I don't know why they think they're going to get a sympathetic reception here. But we don't want them here and we get rid of them. JR is chairman of the welcoming committee, he's done a bang up job of it, and was recently re-elected to his post. Unanimously.

By the way, you're a bit early for the main influx of fanboys. That usually doesn't happen until March. So consider yourself lucky that JR is just getting warmed up and isn't in full stride yet.

Now that you're up to speed on history, especially historic patterns, as that seems to be of interest to you, let's talk recent history.

Who was it that wandered into the forum, made very assertive statements about top-rated officials blowing judgement calls (based on such conclusive evidence as the reaction of some Clemsen fans) and began talking about forming a process to remove referees? Hmmmm, that would be you. Can you see how that wouldn't warrant you a warm reception? I didn't think it would, but I figured it would be worth a try.

So why don't you take your fascinating theories and penchant for lively debate to where you'll get a warmer reception. Like your neighborhood sports bar. Oh, and if the bartender tires of your patter, drop that line about Article I on him. He'll be impressed.

LOL....when I'm on vacation, you get to take over now.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

LOL....when I'm on vacation, you get to take over now.

Those are some mighty big shoes to fill, but I'll do my best. Should I water your plants and bring in your mail while I'm at it?

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

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This board is private property, and as such its owners and their agents can limit the speech of any person here in any way they choose. Legally. If the mods were to shut you down, remove your posts, delete your account, and block your access to this forum in perpetuity, it would in no way violate the constitution's prohibition against congress ... abridging the freedom of speech.

Who was it that wandered into the forum, made very assertive statements about top-rated officials blowing judgement calls (based on such conclusive evidence as the reaction of some Clemsen fans) and began talking about forming a process to remove referees? Hmmmm, that would be you. Can you see how that wouldn't warrant you a warm reception? I didn't think it would, but I figured it would be worth a try.

Back in the Saddle:

Your diatribe misses the entire point. First, the reference to Article 1 was solely to illustrate the fact that it appears that JR feels free to denigrate anyone who does not agree with his position and try to "shut them down". Hardly the hallmark of free speech.

Concerning the comments in the second paragraph above, you again miss the salient issue. If the officiating community cannot (or will not) self-enforce itself adequately, then a few (yes, probably a very few) will continue to harm the game. My point had nothing to do with the specific call in the Clemson game, but rather when a pattern of the general quality of officiating by a referee over several years should be addressed. Since you didn't like my idea, what do YOU propose as a solution? Better training? Better qualification procedures? More use of video replays? Instead of fussing at my idea, offer some of your own.

But no, JR, and apparently you, would rather engage in personal attacks questioning my knowledge (of which you have NO information), my character and integrity (of which you, i.e., JR, know nothing), and my intent (which has been totally mischaracterized).

It's disappointing that in this forum civility has been abandoned, that motivations are impugned, that logic is twisted, but (more importantly) that no one seems to care about improving the product - officiating.

I would think that officials, of all people, would be concerned. If you care so little about solving potential problems in the officiating game, then why do you officiate? Does a friendly debate over the issues so frighten you?

Since it is abundantly clear that nothing I say is going to change your opinion -- and since JR's and your attacks have done nothing more than to convince me that you are narrow minded and defensive -- there's no point in continuing this conversation.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

He is, in fact, a very real curmudgeon.

LOL. Truer words....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

Ah -- democracy at its finest. Problems with Article 1 of the Bill of Rights have we?

Let me explain something to you. The GOVERNMENT cannot restrict your right to free expression and free speech. I've got news for you Richard Cranium, this site is not owned by the GOVERNMENT. The admins on this board can shut you down anytime they want to. Something you might want to remember.

Once again, can somone get rid of this idiot fanboy?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Once again, can somone get rid of this idiot fanboy?

Old School should go first, then we can worry about this guy.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Can someone get rid of this guy, or at least shut this thing down?

Naw, I'm done talking to the goober. Waste of time anyway...which I knew from the git-go.

I just get thoooooo mad thometimes.......

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

Okay, Nethanderal man, please justify you statement.

Okay, the Neanderthal and the Jurassic periods were quite a long ways apart, so this comment is completely non sequitur. Just FYI...