Duke/Clemson timing error

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I see your knowledge of the constitution is as deep as your knowledge of officiating basketball, in other words all theory, bluster, and wishful thinking. And no real experience.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

This board is private property, and as such its owners and their agents can limit the speech of any person here in any way they choose. Legally. If the mods were to shut you down, remove your posts, delete your account, and block your access to this forum in perpetuity, it would in no way violate the constitution's prohibition against congress ... abridging the freedom of speech.

And while I have your attention, let me just assure you that the Jurassic one is certainly not some adolecent masquerading as a curmudgeon. He is, in fact, a very real curmudgeon. And let me get you up to speed on how this works. Every year around this time, whiney fans show up here to complain about how their team got shafted. With no perceivable rules knowledge, no officiating experience, and all the objectivity of Al Gore on the eve of that fateful Supreme Court decision, they come spewing vitriol and venom, caustically self-assured of the righteousness of thier indignation. I don't know why they think they're going to get a sympathetic reception here. But we don't want them here and we get rid of them. JR is chairman of the welcoming committee, he's done a bang up job of it, and was recently re-elected to his post. Unanimously.

By the way, you're a bit early for the main influx of fanboys. That usually doesn't happen until March. So consider yourself lucky that JR is just getting warmed up and isn't in full stride yet.

Now that you're up to speed on history, especially historic patterns, as that seems to be of interest to you, let's talk recent history.

Who was it that wandered into the forum, made very assertive statements about top-rated officials blowing judgement calls (based on such conclusive evidence as the reaction of some Clemsen fans) and began talking about forming a process to remove referees? Hmmmm, that would be you. Can you see how that wouldn't warrant you a warm reception? I didn't think it would, but I figured it would be worth a try.

So why don't you take your fascinating theories and penchant for lively debate to where you'll get a warmer reception. Like your neighborhood sports bar. Oh, and if the bartender tires of your patter, drop that line about Article I on him. He'll be impressed.

LOL....when I'm on vacation, you get to take over now.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

Okay, Nethanderal man, please justify you statement.

Okay, the Neanderthal and the Jurassic periods were quite a long ways apart, so this comment is completely non sequitur. Just FYI...

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

LOL....when I'm on vacation, you get to take over now.

Those are some mighty big shoes to fill, but I'll do my best. Should I water your plants and bring in your mail while I'm at it?

[BillyMac]

The Jurassic was indeed a Period. I'm not even sure that the Neanderthal was an Epoch? Check it out on the Geologic Time Table.

[nakemiin]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

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This board is private property, and as such its owners and their agents can limit the speech of any person here in any way they choose. Legally. If the mods were to shut you down, remove your posts, delete your account, and block your access to this forum in perpetuity, it would in no way violate the constitution's prohibition against congress ... abridging the freedom of speech.

Who was it that wandered into the forum, made very assertive statements about top-rated officials blowing judgement calls (based on such conclusive evidence as the reaction of some Clemsen fans) and began talking about forming a process to remove referees? Hmmmm, that would be you. Can you see how that wouldn't warrant you a warm reception? I didn't think it would, but I figured it would be worth a try.

Back in the Saddle:

Your diatribe misses the entire point. First, the reference to Article 1 was solely to illustrate the fact that it appears that JR feels free to denigrate anyone who does not agree with his position and try to "shut them down". Hardly the hallmark of free speech.

Concerning the comments in the second paragraph above, you again miss the salient issue. If the officiating community cannot (or will not) self-enforce itself adequately, then a few (yes, probably a very few) will continue to harm the game. My point had nothing to do with the specific call in the Clemson game, but rather when a pattern of the general quality of officiating by a referee over several years should be addressed. Since you didn't like my idea, what do YOU propose as a solution? Better training? Better qualification procedures? More use of video replays? Instead of fussing at my idea, offer some of your own.

But no, JR, and apparently you, would rather engage in personal attacks questioning my knowledge (of which you have NO information), my character and integrity (of which you, i.e., JR, know nothing), and my intent (which has been totally mischaracterized).

It's disappointing that in this forum civility has been abandoned, that motivations are impugned, that logic is twisted, but (more importantly) that no one seems to care about improving the product - officiating.

I would think that officials, of all people, would be concerned. If you care so little about solving potential problems in the officiating game, then why do you officiate? Does a friendly debate over the issues so frighten you?

Since it is abundantly clear that nothing I say is going to change your opinion -- and since JR's and your attacks have done nothing more than to convince me that you are narrow minded and defensive -- there's no point in continuing this conversation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

I hope you are watching the OSU and MSU game -- for there again is an example of an officiating error. On an MSU shot under the basket, Oden batted it down (pulled it down) -- and it was ruled by the ref that it hadn't gone above the rim so couldn't have gone in. But the video reply showed CLEARLY that it was above the rim and that goaltending should have been called. By your definition, no one in the entire court could possibly criticize that call -- because they are not officials. Nonsense -- go look at the video of the game - then recant your nonsense.

The ball being above the rim does not equate to goaltending.

And so what if the official missed one goal-tending call, that means that official is showing a pattern of ineptitude?

Goaltending in almost all cases is a judgement call. It's really easy to sit at home with TIVO and ref a perfect game.

How about fire all those soccer officials who continually get suckered by the flopping that soccer players do?

[Jurassic Referee]

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by nakemiin

Ah -- democracy at its finest. Problems with Article 1 of the Bill of Rights have we?

Let me explain something to you. The GOVERNMENT cannot restrict your right to free expression and free speech. I've got news for you Richard Cranium, this site is not owned by the GOVERNMENT. The admins on this board can shut you down anytime they want to. Something you might want to remember.

Once again, can somone get rid of this idiot fanboy?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

He is, in fact, a very real curmudgeon.

LOL. Truer words....

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I would never speak ill of Duke. Well, except maybe to say that their coach is a whiny little hemmorhoid. And... the Duke fans are pretty much the same also ......

...and the school, itself, was essentially founded by what is arguably the most vile (legal) industry on the planet.

On another side note - 6 feet, unobstructed space off the endline? My rosy red backside. Ridiculous. Do all schools get to carry on with blatant disregard for NCAA rules, or just the upper tier of the "Big Time?"

(I'm all hopped up on multiple cold meds right now, so it's more difficult to mask my contempt for that coach and school at the moment.)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

...and the school, itself, was essentially founded by what is arguably the most vile (legal) industry on the planet.

Gimme a ****ing break. So since Washington Duke owned a tobacco business and donated money to the university, that taints everything that has anything to do with the University.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy maroon.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Should I water your plants and bring in your mail while I'm at it?

Nope, water my mail and bring in my plants.

Is it just me, or is this thread headed to new hights of stoopidity? We seem to boldly going where no man has gone before.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Gimme a ****ing break. So since Washington Duke owned a tobacco business and donated money to the university, that taints everything that has anything to do with the University.

Yes, if for no other reason, simply because I don't like Duke.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Yes, if for no other reason, simply because I don't like Duke.

Why don't you like Duke?

(...this outghta be good...)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Yes, if for no other reason, simply because I don't like Duke.

Well, just to help you with your ignorance, Duke University Medical Center is one of the leading medical facilities in the country. I've had several friends treated for cancer their. Most recently, on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, a friend who hit a deer while riding his Harley was airlifted to Duke in critical condition, not expected to live. I spoke with him in church this morning.

Feel free to dislike their coach, team and fans. I do. But don't let the fanboy in you blind you to the fact that it is one of the finest universities in this country, just because one of their early contributors was a tobacco farmer. If that's the case, you might want to consider that you live in a country which achieved it's independence because of a few tobacco farmers, among others.