Officials err in OT game

[Zoochy]

http://prepsports.stltoday.com/ssi/p...7?OpenDocument
I do not know all the details, but..... what a mess. It has quite a few officials discussing this game.
I believe that 2 of the 3 officials have been selected to officiate Post Season State games. I know my name would be 'MUD' if I was working that game.

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

http://prepsports.stltoday.com/ssi/p...7?OpenDocument
I do not know all the details, but..... what a mess. It has quite a few officials discussing this game.
I believe that 2 of the 3 officials have been selected to officiate Post Season State games. I know my name would be 'MUD' if I was working that game.

While I agree that it is sure a sour way to have to do it, Mr Probst needs to get into the rule book a little bit....Case Play 2.11.10 C....it is almost exactly what happened in this game. Nice to know an interpreter is so well informed when he publicly blasts officials.....what a maroooon

[Red_Killian]

What the heck was the table doing all game long? The article doesn't say which team was home but how could both books be off by this much???

From the article - "A play-by-play kept by the Post-Dispatch showed the final score should have actually been 64-62 in favor of Gateway Tech at the end of regulation."

So, cmmathews, what exactly was Mr Probst's error in interpreting the rules? If the officials had not approved the final score, came up with a 66-65 score, game over, no OT. The officials erred in playing the OT. The case play you reference has the error detected AFTER the OT had been started, not before.

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Red_Killian

What the heck was the table doing all game long? The article doesn't say which team was home but how could both books be off by this much???

From the article - "A play-by-play kept by the Post-Dispatch showed the final score should have actually been 64-62 in favor of Gateway Tech at the end of regulation."

So, cmmathews, what exactly was Mr Probst's error in interpreting the rules? If the officials had not approved the final score, came up with a 66-65 score, game over, no OT. The officials erred in playing the OT. The case play you reference has the error detected AFTER the OT had been started, not before.

yep my bad, and appologies to Mr. Probst...

[ltllng]

NFHS Case Play:

2.11.10 Situation C: The scorer mistakenly credits a field goal by A1 to B1 and Team B in the second quarter. The regulation game ends with the score tied. During a time-out in overtime, the scorer detects the mistake and advises the referee.

Ruling: The referee will have the mistake corrected. The overtime will continue with the corrected score. Once the ball becomes live in the overtime, the overtime will be played even though a subsequent correction of an error or mistake changes the score. A bookkeeping mistake can be corrected at any time until the final score is approved.

As in this case the overtime was in progress.
Once you start the overtime, you must complete it even if the error was previous.

The situation in this game was that there was only one person keeping score and they did not keep the running score, only the players points.

The visiting team did not have a book. Why the Post-Dispatch came up with a totally different score is unknown. The officials conferred with the scorekeeper at a timeout before the game was over and were told the book matched the scoreboard.

We all know of situations where the table has a couple of people that don't pay any attention to the game. We just have to figure out how to deal with the errors and practice good game management. It is just part of the game and is not limited to just basketball. I always try to watch the scoreboard to make sure things are right. If not we ususally hear it from the fans yelling at us that the score is wrong.

[BayStateRef]

Let's get the facts straight.

From the article:

At the end of regulation, with the teams tied 65-65 and headed for overtime, the three referees met and determined that there were inconsistencies between the scoreboard and official scorebook.

The referees then gave Miller Career Academy another point, making the score 66-65, before beginning the four-minute overtime period.

Once the officials determined the score was 66-65 AND the overtime had not started, the game is over. That is what the state rules interpreter was saying -- and he is correct.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Let's get the facts straight.

From the article:

At the end of regulation, with the teams tied 65-65 and headed for overtime, the three referees met and determined that there were inconsistencies between the scoreboard and official scorebook.

The referees then gave Miller Career Academy another point, making the score 66-65, before beginning the four-minute overtime period.

Once the officials determined the score was 66-65 AND the overtime had not started, the game is over. That is what the state rules interpreter was saying -- and he is correct.

I concur. No overtime should have been played.

[Nevadaref]

From the article it seems that two huge mistakes in applying the rules were made. The officials screwed up this one:

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 10: The score is tied at the end of regulation time. During the intermission between the fourth quarter and the beginning of the overtime period, the official scorer advises the referee that A1's three-point goal earlier in the fourth quarter was recorded in the scorebook improperly as a two-point goal. The referee verifies the mistake. RULING: The game is over and Team A has won. Since the ball had not yet become live in the overtime period, it need not be played. (2-11-11; 5-3; 5-7-4)

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The scorer failed to do his prescribed duties so therefore botched these rules:

RULE 2
SECTION 11 SCORER'S DUTIES
The scorer shall:
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ART. 4 . . . Record the field goals made, the free throws made and missed, and keep a running summary of the points scored.
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ART. 11 . . . Compare records with the visiting scorer after each goal, each foul, each charged time-out, and end of each quarter and extra period, notifying the referee at once of any discrepancy. If the mistake cannot be found, the referee shall accept the record of the official scorebook, unless he/she has knowledge which permits him/her to decide otherwise. If the discrepancy is in the score and the mistake is not resolved, the referee shall accept the progressive team totals of the official scorebook. A bookkeeping mistake may be corrected at any time until the referee approves the final score. The scorebook of the home team shall be the official book, unless the referee rules otherwise. The official scorebook shall remain at the scorer's table throughout the game, including all intermissions.