Partner's HUUUUGE Blunder

[sj]

........Obviously standing at lead, mouth agape does not reverse partner's call

You should never stand with your mouth open when reacting to a partners call. You should never show any emotion at all. Just go on with the game according to what was called unless it is something that know you can approach him on and then go approach him professionally and talk about it.

In my mind if one official reacts like this to his partners calls, no matter how much you disagree with him, you are just hanging him out to dry and dressing him down in front of everybody in the gym. Just get his call and go on and be straight faced about it. There's one official in my association I won't work with because I saw him do this in a game once to a partner of his. The coaches saw him react and jumped all over it. It created a mess.

Not only that but in this case the call was correct. He had a reason to call it. Prevent it if possible but call it if necessary.

[mick]

If my partner calls and correctly applies a rule. I will not call him a huge mistake.

If I must base my calls according to the proposed "game managment" principle of never minding a shooters foot on the line with 10 seconds left, then I better not be doing it with 32 minutes left, then I better erase the rule, then I better quit....

[sj]

Not only that mick but to go and reverse an otherwise correct call based on game management may not be good game management. I'd like to see the other coaches reaction to the change when you explain it to him as to why the call was reversed. You might end up with an episode for the Jerry Springer show on your hands

[Mountaineer]

You claim it was the wrong call. What if he let that one go and the offending team wins by one? That is a violation you cannot over look. I can't see why it's bad game management . . . because it had an effect on the home team? Why did you bother checking the feet of the rebounders then? Would you have made the call if a teammate had entered the lane early? I think your critism of your partner is off-base. Was it a bad time for the kid to make that mistake? Absolutely - but not your partner's fault.

[Scatmaster]

Originally Posted by hooptown

Postgame partner says "I hated making that call, and such a nice kid too".
The home coach sends a nasty email to our convenor blaming "the refs".

Silly Refs, They always cost us the game!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hooptown

JV Tournament finals. Under 0:10 to play. Home team is fouled on a shot and goes to the line down by one. First free throw is made, but partner waves it off emphatically. Shooter's foot was on the line. Crowd goes bananas! This is partner's 2nd or 3rd goofy call in the half, but is the only call in the game that will be remembered. Next FT is missed, visiting team wins by three.

Postgame partner says "I hated making that call, and such a nice kid too".
The home coach sends a nasty email to our convenor blaming "the refs".

My question: What is the best course of action in this situation as it unfolds. Obviously standing at lead, mouth agape does not reverse partner's call (whoops). Is bearhugging partner and demanding he invent a reason to overrule himself the right move?

More generally... besides OOB and backcourt what calls are reversible if partner is new or "goofy"? Other overrules I have seen
basket interference -> T for hanging on rim
common foul -> intentional (excessive contact) foul

This is the definition of throwing your partner under the bus. Learn from it.

Your partner made a tough call in a tough situation and now he's hanging out to dry because of you. Tell your convener the team lost because their free throw shooter can't see the line.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by hooptown

JV Tournament finals. Under 0:10 to play. Home team is fouled on a shot and goes to the line down by one. First free throw is made, but partner waves it off emphatically. Shooter's foot was on the line. Crowd goes bananas! This is partner's 2nd or 3rd goofy call in the half, but is the only call in the game that will be remembered. Next FT is missed, visiting team wins by three.

Postgame partner says "I hated making that call, and such a nice kid too".
The home coach sends a nasty email to our convenor blaming "the refs".

My question: What is the best course of action in this situation as it unfolds. Obviously standing at lead, mouth agape does not reverse partner's call (whoops). Is bearhugging partner and demanding he invent a reason to overrule himself the right move?

More generally... besides OOB and backcourt what calls are reversible if partner is new or "goofy"? Other overrules I have seen
basket interference -> T for hanging on rim
common foul -> intentional (excessive contact) foul

You can reverse any call if there is a clear misapplication of a rule or if a judgment might be helped by additional information. But if the kid put his foot on the line, then that is the right call. It might not be a popular call, but the right one all the way. Also there was no mess up. The only mess up would be if he did not make the call when a player clearly in on the line.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by hooptown

My question: What is the best course of action in this situation as it unfolds. Obviously standing at lead, mouth agape does not reverse partner's call (whoops). Is bearhugging partner and demanding he invent a reason to overrule himself the right move?

I almost forgot. This was the big mistake you must be talking about.

Peace

[swkansasref33]

I think what hooptown meant was that he didnt feel that his partner was right in making the call, because his partner was administering the free-throws, and it should be the trail official's call, not the leads. I have only called a lane-violation on the shooter once while i was the lead, but only because my partner did not call it, and the shooter had jumped and landed about a foot and a half inside the lane.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

I think what hooptown meant was that he didnt feel that his partner was right in making the call, because his partner was administering the free-throws, and it should be the trail official's call, not the leads. I have only called a lane-violation on the shooter once while i was the lead, but only because my partner did not call it, and the shooter had jumped and landed about a foot and a half inside the lane.

If you re-read the original post, hooptown was lead and administered the FT. His partner was trail and it's his responsibility to look for a violation on the FT shooter. Hooptown should never see that violation if he's just doing his own job.

[hooptown]

Gents,

I admit I was rattled by the coach's email and used the forum to vent when I started the thread. This was my first time posting to the board, and I had not read it in sometime. On second reading the thread title is MELOdramatic.
I fully realize that the crew lives and dies together.

I rarely show emotion on the court. My mouth was closed and my expression was neutral when the call was made. Still, if coaches or fans in the gym did look my way they would probably see the call surprised me. Most probably concentrated on partner, or on the home coach.

Your input is much appreciated and I definitely learned from that game.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by hooptown

Gents,

I admit I was rattled by the coach's email and used the forum to vent when I started the thread. This was my first time posting to the board, and I had not read it in sometime. On second reading the thread title is MELOdramatic.
I fully realize that the crew lives and dies together.

I rarely show emotion on the court. My mouth was closed and my expression was neutral when the call was made. Still, if coaches or fans in the gym did look my way they would probably see the call surprised me. Most probably concentrated on partner, or on the home coach.

Your input is much appreciated and I definitely learned from that game.

Even so, hoopy, there's nothing goofy about calling a ft shooter for stepping on the line before the ball hits the rim. It's illegal, and there's no reason not to call it. I'm not sure why you think it's goofy.

[Adam]

Two more things I want to add now. First, what was your assigner's response to the coach?
Second, what other calls did he make that you considered "goofy?"

[Snake~eyes]

Should your partner have ignored it if it was OOB call where the players foot was on the line prior to game tieing shot attempt?

Pretty black and white IMO.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you and Mick are mis-interpreting hooptown's intent on his phrasing. He's saying "by rule, the official did not make an error, but from a game management point he did."

In general, I agree with him. If it can be prevented, do so. Once it happens, however, it's too late. And, even if the crew is evaluated as a whole, there's no cause for overruling -- especially on a judgment issue.

I agree.

But I'm left wondering, how much of his foot was on the line? A toe? An entire foot? was he standing under the basket as he attempted the free throw?