This never happen to me before--What would you do?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I think a lot of people are trying to pile on. Not only do I not agree, because Rut is admittedly conflicted, but I think it is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. If everyone that disagrees with what Rut did do NOT follow the "get the call right" mantra then OK. But, I would bet some that have piled on will say "get the call right" as an excuse to watch the ball all over the court.

Isn't it obvious that Rut is even questioning if this crossed the line? I don't recall him ever saying this is what he did, he knows it was right and that is all there is to it. IMO, he posted because he wasn't 100% sure about the call.

I will be ready and waiting to pounce on some posters if/when they do something that is questionable. But then again, we know some wouldn't even post anything they did wrong in the first place.

The one thing nobody's picked up on is Rut's posting history -- Rut is clearly not someone who looks all over the court and runs around trying to overturn calls.

If I'm working with a regular partner whose history I know (and he's like Rut) and he come running in, well, then I'm going to listen.

Too many black-and-white answers in this thread. Officiating is much more gray in nature.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Too many black-and-white answers in this thread. Officiating is much more gray in nature.

Which is exactly why I didn't post. Without being there and having some kind of feel for the game, situation, and/or my partners, I really don't know what I'd do.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

The one thing nobody's picked up on is Rut's posting history -- Rut is clearly not someone who looks all over the court and runs around trying to overturn calls.

If I'm working with a regular partner whose history I know (and he's like Rut) and he come running in, well, then I'm going to listen.

Too many black-and-white answers in this thread. Officiating is much more gray in nature.

I agree with this and JR's post.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I agree with this and JR's post.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread (although it seems to be winding down), but I had an IW last night, which was the first I can remember in 20 years, although I wouldn't swear I've never had one. Ball was originally on the cylinder and then a hand came sideways through the net and hit the ball. Problem was, the ball fell off the cylinder before this happened and the hand clearly did not go up through the basket. When the ball was hit, it was below the rim.

I was too quick on the whistle -- it was 2-person and we were in transition. I didn't hesitate -- I stepped in and told my partner we had an IW with no team control --> AP.

Then I told the benches and the table. Shooting team coach wanted BI and then said after my explanation, "well, why not a foul on the play?" Other team said they had possession of the ball -- they did get the rebound, but not until after the whistle. Both arguments were pretty half-hearted and we got the game started quickly.

Four player technicals last night. Double technical on a held ball -- we closed quickly as the play on a loose ball was aggressive, but the players involved started mouthing at each other. Partner got a technical on the one player, but I saw both yapping and called the double T. I figured this would send a message.

Home team stopped yapping, but the visiting team didn't. We had two more technicals on visiting players trying to drive through 2-3 players hoping to get bailed out. When they didn't get bailed out, they turned to the official, gestured, and shouted at the official -- and got technicals for their troubles. One was on one of the participants in the held ball double technical, so he'll get to sit a game.

Things are starting to go up a notch in intensity with a month left in the season.

[JRutledge]

I ejected a freshman coach last night if that makes you feel better. It was a double header and I gave him one T in the first game, which I started all by myself because my partner had gone to the wrong school. The coach started complaining even when I was by myself about illegal screens and "over the back" calls. Then when my partner shows up, he turns on the intensity and says more and I T him.

Then in the second game he does not learn his lesson and continues to yell across the court. As I give him the first T he still runs his mouth and I am warning him to let it go as I am reporting, I just say screw it after another comment and dumb his behind.

I have not ejected a basketball coach since my first year and that was about 10 seasons ago. Fun times were had by all.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I stepped in and told my partner we had an IW with no team control --> AP.

Then I told the benches and the table. Shooting team coach wanted BI and then said after my explanation, "well, why not a foul on the play?" Other team said they had possession of the ball -- they did get the rebound, but not until after the whistle. Both arguments were pretty half-hearted and we got the game started quickly.

What can the coaches really say? You admitted that you screwed up. You didn't compound your screw-up by doing something that was wrong rules-wise and that would have ended up pissing one of the coaches off. You did exactly what should be done imo.

Btw, one of the key things to note from Rich's post is the last sentence-i.e. re-starting the game quickly. That's great advice for all of these types of situations. Make your explanation, and if they want to continue the discussion, tell 'em to see you after the game. Usually, they'll have forgotten about it by then anyway. Get the ball back into play immediately and git-r-done.