This never happen to me before--What would you do?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Bingo. We have a winner.

Nah, not a winner. I have no idea what the dynamics of the game were.

Coulda been he had a perferctly good reason to take control at that point in the game.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Nah, not a winner. I have no idea what the dynamics of the game were.

Coulda been he had a perferctly good reason to take control at that point in the game.

So your previous post was just a shot in the dark?

He said he trusted his partners and the game was going well. Then he goes and initiates a conversation with his partner about a judgment call in his partner's primary. Doesn't sound right.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by zebraman

So your previous post was just a shot in the dark?

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My previous post was what it was.

If you got some axe to grind just keep me out of it.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

?

My previous post was what it was.

If you got some axe to grind just keep me out of it.

No axe to grind, but it you don't believe your own post it's kinda pointless, IMO.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by zebraman

No axe to grind, but it you don't believe your own post it's kinda pointless, IMO.

Pointless. A lot like this discussion.

Like I said, if you have an agenda that's fine. Just don't drag me into it.

OK?

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Pointless. A lot like this discussion.

Like I said, if you have an agenda that's fine. Just don't drag me into it.

OK?

Have a nice night.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Ya know what Jeff? The way I read this I think I would have left it alone, let the T live the call. Top of the key isn't exactly your primary as C.

That is true only to a point. The C and the T if they are doing their job are watching a lot of above the 3 point line depending on what is going on in that game. Considering both the C and the T also have the five second counts and you are supposed to keep those counts, you will be looking at the top of the key. We had a lot of guard play and guards going to the lane. This game there was a lot of the ball going back and forth and the ball up top. In some cases there were some screens being set, that is a good time to look near the top of the key. This is a common look for the C with a guard dominated offense.

Peace

[IowaMike]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have the right game.

Now are you saying you would call a jump ball because it truly was a jump ball or because you feel that was the best thing to do considering the circumstances?

Peace

It looked to me like it could have truly been a jump. If it didn't meet the criteria for a jump ball, why not go with point of interruption and give it back to the team that was in possession at the time of the whistle?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Pointless. A lot like this discussion.

Like I said, if you have an agenda that's fine. Just don't drag me into it.

OK?

IMO, your last group of posts says something about you as a man (in a positive way). I feel the same way you do about this situation.
For many reasons, I also give Rut credit for even bringing it to the forum.

[Ignats75]

I'm coming late to this conversation. Basically Rut, if I read the OP correctly, you treated this alot like a simultaneous whistle. (ok without the whistle ) But if the call was in one of those grey areas of overlapping coverage, I see no reason to question why two sets of eyes may of had this play. If the defender's hand prevented the completion of the shot, I would also call it a jump. If my partner couldn't see the hand, I could see where he would call the travel. If the call was absolutely in his primary, I would give him my info and let him decide on the call. But coming together was a good move IMHO. Nice job.

[Raymond]

To me, it's not the same as a tipped ball outside his primary or a double whistle. Personally, I would not have given my partner information unless he had asked for it.

On this play, where I know my partner is looking directly at the play and it's in his primary I'm not going to come to him. I've had whistles before where I realized I might have missed something and then I, as the calling official, will seek information.

And now, saying your partner did seek information from you, the correct call would have been an inadvertent whistle, b/c it wasn't a travel and it wasn't a held ball.

[Red_Killian]

I'm late to this one, too, but see no way this could have been a jump ball. Would it have even been considered if the AP was going the other way? I agree with BadNewsRef, I would not likely have given information to my partner. If the benches are on my side of the floor and the coach asks my how that is a travel, then I go to my partner with my information. But IW or travel are the only options.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IowaMike

It looked to me like it could have truly been a jump. If it didn't meet the criteria for a jump ball, why not go with point of interruption and give it back to the team that was in possession at the time of the whistle?

Believe me that was the first thought in my head. As I started running to my partner, I thought about what I just saw and thought of all the scenarios to not call a travel. As a matter of fact, an IW was what I first proposed. The jump ball was the last thing I thought, but I thought it applied to the play. I then suggested the jump ball after I realized the team in possession had the arrow. But that was an option before. I just did not suggest it until I looked at the table. Is that the right thought process? I really do not know I just know we could not go with a travel on this call. I did feel very strong about that.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Believe me that was the first thought in my head. As I started running to my partner, I thought about what I just saw and thought of all the scenarios to not call a travel. As a matter of fact, an IW was what I first proposed. The jump ball was the last thing I thought, but I thought it applied to the play. I then suggested the jump ball after I realized the team in possession had the arrow. But that was an option before. I just did not suggest it until I looked at the table. Is that the right thought process? I really do not know I just know we could not go with a travel on this call. I did feel very strong about that.

Peace

Rut,

I'm not trying to badger you, but I'm really curious about where you draw the line on going to your partner when you feel like they missed a call? Traveling calls? Fouls?

If I went to a partner that I trusted in a situation like this, I think the first thing they would say is, "what the hell are you doing?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Rut,

I'm not trying to badger you, but I'm really curious about where you draw the line on going to your partner when you feel like they missed a call? Traveling calls? Fouls?

I don't think it has anything to do with the *type* of call, but rather with the situation. When you see something that your partner missed (defenders hand on the ball, the ball coming loose), then you consider offering help. If your partner saw the whole thing but his / her judgment was different, then you let it go.