Barking Assistant

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The best place for those snappy lines is right here on the board. I'd never use one on the court.

I keep away from them too. They're usually unprofessional, and they also usually just piss people off. You're just inviting a response when you use a wiseazz remark. And if the response is also wiseazz, you've now got a real decision to make, don't you.

[bgleason@neonin]

I love the Batman line...
Try this one: After a complaint from the ***. Coach i say in voice loud enough for the whole bench to hear, "who is the head coach here?" That usually prompts some action from the HC and quiets the AC. Sometimes it gets the HC really pissed at the Asst Coach. He He He.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

The assistant then looks at me and barks “That is the third thing you have missed already!”

"You're right, coach. And the first was the technical on you. But don't worry, I'll get that called right now."

If he asks what the second thing was, tell him it's his second technical.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

Boy’s V game, early in the first half (play halves in MN).
Block-Charge situation, no-brainer, its a charge on A1.
Ball is inbounded and I pass by the bench and the team A assistant coach is barking “No Way, No Way!!!”
Shortly, I am the lead and covering off ball and A3 bats the ball away from dribbler B1 near half court and in front of A’s bench, away from the side line of my partner. B1 recovers the ball and the assistant starts barking that B1 was out of bounds (may have or have not been OOB, I had action in the lane, and partner could not tell). The assistant then looks at me and barks “That is the third thing you have missed already!”

Whack. I don't put up with this crap. Next-to-zero tolerance for assistant coaches.

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

I call a foul on A4, not in the bonus so the ball is OOB on the baseline. I tell my partner to hold for a minute. I approach the assistant

I'd have all communication throught he HC only.

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

and tell him “If you are going to bark at every situation tonight, this is going to be a long night for you, so I would suggest that you watch your mouth.”

I don't think this is a proper way to handle the situation. You confronted the AC unnecessarily and with condescending verbiage.

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

It usually takes a lot to get under my skin, but I was really annoyed and felt I needed to say something, even if nothing he said warranted a T. He never said another word the rest of the night.

What do you think, should I have ignored him, or would you have said something to him?

I would have stored the "No Way" comment and prepared myself to deal with a subsequent comment with either a comment to the HC or a T to the AC if vastly overboard.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

Boy’s V game, early in the first half (play halves in MN).
Block-Charge situation, no-brainer, its a charge on A1.
Ball is inbounded and I pass by the bench and the team A assistant coach is barking “No Way, No Way!!!”
Shortly, I am the lead and covering off ball and A3 bats the ball away from dribbler B1 near half court and in front of A’s bench, away from the side line of my partner. B1 recovers the ball and the assistant starts barking that B1 was out of bounds (may have or have not been OOB, I had action in the lane, and partner could not tell). The assistant then looks at me and barks “That is the third thing you have missed already!”

What do you think, should I have ignored him, or would you have said something to him?

Here's the scoop. You're in the 1st half and you got this type of stuff coming at you. The 1st half or 1st quarter is the perfect time to deal with it, because if you don't, it's really going to be a problem in the 2nd half of the game. This type of talk from ANY coach is unacceptable to me. My flag goes up on the first comment. When I get the 2nd one, and it's like that comment! That's a automatic technical to me and coach is benched. You don't have to say anything to anybody but the table, technical on AC, HC must now remain seated, get back to the game. You don't give the AC coach no long stare or anything after that. You just take care of business and I guarantee you they will remember that lession forever. You'll get nothing but respect everytime you work there.

I had the HC say something similiar to me yesterday late in the 2nd half of a college game, crunch time. He had been a saint up to that point. My response is going to be a little different now. That comment got his communication priviledge removed from me, in other words, he's now on ignore. I'm going to focus down on this close game. I get another comment like that, he gets the stop sign. Third negative comment, technical.

One more thing, imo. If you're getting that type of comments directed at you in the beginnig of the game. Somebody didn't take care of business in there last game, and it's carrying over. My point here is you don't have to say anything to either coach. If they're going to talk to you like that, “That is the third thing you have missed already!” in the beginning of the game. I'll give you the first one, maybe even the 2nd one to be sure what I heard the 1st time is what I thought I heard, because I can't believe that. Third one, automatic. You don't have to say "JACK!" to any coach. You're being a nice guy if you do, and I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just telling you, I'm not going there. Flip side of this, if the AC and/or HC is being respectful to me. I'll go out my way for them.

[Ray_from_Mi]

There has been alot of fine comments about how to deal with the AC thru the HC. I work thru the HC as well. As said earlier, the AC has not earned the right to voice his opinion. If there are words by the AC relative to what I am calling/not calling, at a time I can be in front of the HC I will say in a tone that can only be heard by the HC, 'Coach, don't let this man get you in trouble.' Most HC's are appreciative that I have spoken with them in a manner that gives them respect without having to say a word to the AC in front of him and/or the bench as well as it allows the HC to take care of the 'problem'. Aside, the next time the AC wants to get verbal with me, the HC knows the hammer will be droppin'. The HC will know maybe he should of taken care of business when the opportunity presented itself.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Ray_from_Mi

There has been alot of fine comments about how to deal with the AC thru the HC. I work thru the HC as well. As said earlier, the AC has not earned the right to voice his opinion. Most HC's are appreciative that I have spoken with them...

I'm sure they are. Don't get me wrong, whatever works for you. Anytime you can prevent accessing a technical, I think you should use it. However, there is behavior that I consider wayyyyy out of bounds, and to me, it doesn't matter which coach it's coming from. I think that for the moment, these guys forget who they are talking too and I have no problem whatsoever reminding them where those boundaries are. I'm simply not going to have a coach speak to me in the 1st quarter like it is the 4th quarter. I'm also not giving a coach a warning in the 1st quarter. I'll give him a T and he can take that for his warning.

The reason I like to call a T here is that it sets the stage for the rest of the game. You send notice to "both" benches you're not having that today. Now we can all focus on what we are there to do. Players play, coaches coach and referee's referee the game. Referee's don't tell coaches how to coach, coaches don't tell referee's how to ref. Now that that's clear, the game afterwards is a breeze, and they also learned that I have a quick trigger, don't get mad, emotionless style of offciating. Works for me...

[Ron Giacoma]

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

Boy’s V game, early in the first half (play halves in MN).
Block-Charge situation, no-brainer, its a charge on A1.
Ball is inbounded and I pass by the bench and the team A assistant coach is barking “No Way, No Way!!!”
Shortly, I am the lead and covering off ball and A3 bats the ball away from dribbler B1 near half court and in front of A’s bench, away from the side line of my partner. B1 recovers the ball and the assistant starts barking that B1 was out of bounds (may have or have not been OOB, I had action in the lane, and partner could not tell). The assistant then looks at me and barks “That is the third thing you have missed already!”
I call a foul on A4, not in the bonus so the ball is OOB on the baseline. I tell my partner to hold for a minute. I approach the assistant and tell him “If you are going to bark at every situation tonight, this is going to be a long night for you, so I would suggest that you watch your mouth.”
It usually takes a lot to get under my skin, but I was really annoyed and felt I needed to say something, even if nothing he said warranted a T. He never said another word the rest of the night.

What do you think, should I have ignored him, or would you have said something to him?

In Texas, we do not put up with bench "stuff". We warn the Head Coach to control the bench as it is his/her responsiblity. I have never said a single word to an assistant during any game. Please reply to this as I am new on this site and I do not know if my comments reach you or others -Ron.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Ron Giacoma

In Texas, we do not put up with bench "stuff". We warn the Head Coach to control the bench as it is his/her responsiblity. I have never said a single word to an assistant during any game. Please reply to this as I am new on this site and I do not know if my comments reach you or others -Ron.

Ron -- when you use the "Quote" button, whatever you say reaches the whole world! In fact, anything you type into a text box on this site goes out onto the board, unless you're specifically in the Private Messages section.

So, welcome to the board!! Also, did you get my e-mail? Nevada found that case play that I missed, since I didn't turn the page before. Hope you got your question answered.

[JRutledge]

As this thread shows, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Whatever works for you is the key. All we are sharing are our personal experiences. I know what I do is not going to work for everyone mainly because you do not look like me; you do not have may not use the same tone of voice or body language to get a point across.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Ron -- when you use the "Quote" button, whatever you say reaches the whole world! In fact, anything you type into a text box on this site goes out onto the board, unless you're specifically in the Private Messages section.
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Except he's in Texas.

Things are different in Texas, y'all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Except he's in Texas.

Things are different in Texas, y'all.

If you ever spent time in Texas, you would know that to be true.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you ever spent time in Texas, you would know that to be true.

Peace

I have and I do!

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by luvernebbref

The assistant then looks at me and barks “That is the third thing you have missed already!”

What do you think, should I have ignored him, or would you have said something to him?

I say, "I'm not missing 4 in a row". Whack him and tell the head coach he has to sit the rest of the game becuase of his assistant.

Mregor

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mregor

I say, "I'm not missing 4 in a row". Whack him and tell the head coach he has to sit the rest of the game becuase of his assistant.

Mregor

Reminds me of a line from baseball:

Coach/Manager: That's two you've missed today.
Umpire: You won't be around to count to four.
Coach/Manager: Huh?