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[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Old School

True, I'm just telling you what I would do in the case where I thought the player was faking.

Can you answer my questions?

Tell me where you work, what leagues and what levels. Please don't give me to a link where you gave a vague answer to this. You are really suspect (IMO) right now and some straight forward answers could help your credibility. Unless you have something to hide.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by armymanjones

I agree with OS and if the coach is beckoned the player is to bereplaced regardless if he comes out or not.

The only time I can think of a coach not coming on the floor after he/she was beckoned would be if the player was getting up and was OK to continue. I would probably let the player stay if they seemed OK. Are you saying that when you beckon the coach it is a done deal regardless? Also, did anyone say they had beckoned the coach and the coach didn't come on the floor or are you throwing that in now? I don't want to go back and look at all the posts.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

This is wrong too.

Oh, for God's sake. WHACK!

I don't typically beckon anyone -- if the player's hurt and I stop the game the coach/trainer can consider himself beckoned. I don't get involved with injured players unless I have a coach that NEEDS to come out, but WON'T.

But unlike Old School, I know the rule

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

The only time I can think of a coach not coming on the floor after he/she was beckoned would be if the player was getting up and was OK to continue. I would probably let the player stay if they seemed OK. Are you saying that when you beckon the coach it is a done deal regardless? Also, did anyone say they had beckoned the coach and the coach didn't come on the floor or are you throwing that in now? I don't want to go back and look at all the posts.

Depends. If it's a premature beckon and the coach doesn't come out, I'm likely going to change my mind and not require the player leave or the team burn a timeout. Consider it an inadvertant beckon.

[armymanjones]

Originally Posted by tomegun

The only time I can think of a coach not coming on the floor after he/she was beckoned would be if the player was getting up and was OK to continue. I would probably let the player stay if they seemed OK. Are you saying that when you beckon the coach it is a done deal regardless? Also, did anyone say they had beckoned the coach and the coach didn't come on the floor or are you throwing that in now? I don't want to go back and look at all the posts.

By rule 3-3 art. 5 nfhs...A player who as been injured to the extent that the coach or any other bench personnel is BECKONED and/or comes onto the court shall be directed to leave the game, unless a time-out is requested by and granted to, his/her team and the situation can be corrected by the end of the time-out

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

True, I'm just telling you what I would do in the case where I thought the player was faking.

If I think the player is faking an injury, it's a technical foul.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If I think the player is faking an injury, it's a technical foul.

Or he can go sit down. Sub!!!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Old School

No, I'm going to look it up because Bob asked me too, and btw, off the top, I was very close. NFHS Rule 3.3.5 says if I beckon the coach, and/or the coach comes on to the floor.

Good: You looked it up.

Good: You learned something.

Bad: You refuse to apply it and think your orignal answer was "close." If your answer was "close" then so are most of the inane comments yelled by the fans.

Picky: Rules are referred to with a dash (e.g., 3-3-5); cases are referred to with dots (e.e.g, 3.3.5A) And, that's not "my" standard, it's in the case book.

[armymanjones]

Originally Posted by Old School

Or he can go sit down. Sub!!!

I ask if the player if he can continue. If he says yes we continue on. If he says no/or nothing and continues to act injured I beckon the coach and he either sits or they burn a timeout

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Or he can go sit down. Sub!!!

I'm not doing this without any rules basis. You do what you want.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Good: You looked it up.

Good: You learned something.

Bad: You refuse to apply it and think your orignal answer was "close." If your answer was "close" then so are most of the inane comments yelled by the fans.

Picky: Rules are referred to with a dash (e.g., 3-3-5); cases are referred to with dots (e.e.g, 3.3.5A) And, that's not "my" standard, it's in the case book.

Thanks for the lesson Bob. However, you are incorrect when you assume I refuse to apply it. I might bend it a little if I thought the player was faking being poked in the eye, thus causing me to put air in the whistle. I also don't care what a fan thinks.

Good day!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Old School

Thanks for the lesson Bob. However, you are incorrect when you assume I refuse to apply it. I might bend it a little if I thought the player was faking being poked in the eye, thus causing me to put air in the whistle. I also don't care what a fan thinks.

Good day!

What's the penalty for faking being fouled? Hint: It's not that the player must leave the game.

[Johnny Ringo]

Scrapper,

What I was trying to say is that I agree (when I said perfectly said) with what NevadaRef said in one of the first posts on this topic.

As for telling coaches to practice this method that was meant as a little fun. But, if you don't think some coaches and players would go that far to draw a foul - think again.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Consider it an inadvertant beckon.

Citation for an "inadvertent beckon?"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Scrapper,

What I was trying to say is that I agree (when I said perfectly said) with what NevadaRef said in one of the first posts on this topic.

As for telling coaches to practice this method that was meant as a little fun. But, if you don't think some coaches and players would go that far to draw a foul - think again.

Maybe, but it's our job to know the difference.